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Originally posted by 667joeWhat do you mean Faith? Biblical faith is pistis or trust, believe.
Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on it's own merits. Dan Barker
You use it when you dive in the pool.
But generally, I agree..
Originally posted by 667joeThats not right at all. 'Faith' can often be used when you are fairly certain about something based on experience, reason or evidence. It does tend to imply a lack of direct proof, but that does not necessarily make it unreasonable.
Faith is never based on reason, but rather the lack thereof.
Originally posted by 667joeto 667joe
Faith is never based on reason, but rather the lack thereof.
faith can be based on reason, for example,
whenyou get on a plane, you have faith that it wont crash with you on it.
so when its time to buy the ticket, you reason with your self, that at any one time,there are probably 5000 planes in the air at any one time , so you reason that you have a good chance NOT to be the next statistic, so you buy your ticket and get on the plane,
its called rational faith, and we use it all the time.
cheers vishvahetu
Originally posted by 667joeI know faith implies lack of reason, however I believe you need a balanced approach between all important concepts/archetypes to move forward with your understanding.
Faith is never based on reason, but rather the lack thereof.
Science and relligon. Faith and reason. Man and woman. Etc.
The faith I talk about is the type of faith you get from deductive reasoning about your experiences coupled with the world around you, the type of faith one needs to move beyond duality.
Originally posted by karoly aczelSomehow I feel people twist and turn to make words mean whatever they want them to mean. In a social context I think words mean what they are reasonably accepted by most people to mean.
I know faith implies lack of reason, however I believe you need a balanced approach between all important concepts/archetypes to move forward with your understanding.
Science and relligon. Faith and reason. Man and woman. Etc.
The faith I talk about is the type of faith you get from deductive reasoning about your experiences coupled with the world around you, the type of faith one needs to move beyond duality.
The issue of Faith versus Reason has a history. One key historical event was when Augustine of Hippo concluded that it was not possible to support Christian teaching by means of reasoning, in the sense that he was unable to overcome the objections of the Greek philosophers. He pronounced that it was necessary to rely on Faith and that was the route followed by Christianity for some 800 years until Thomas Aquinas noted that it is not realistic to seek to convert Muslims or heathens by relying on scripture, because that audience would not accept scripture as a reliable basis for conversion. So he argued that it is unavoidably necessary to support Faith with Reason and he sought to achieve that by turning away from Platonic philosophy to Aristotle. It took only a few hundred years for this attempt to reconcile Faith with philosophy to fall into the mire.
Originally posted by finneganYeah. Things are/have been crazy on the outside.
Somehow I feel people twist and turn to make words mean whatever they want them to mean. In a social context I think words mean what they are reasonably accepted by most people to mean.
The issue of Faith versus Reason has a history. One key historical event was when Augustine of Hippo concluded that it was not possible to support Christian teaching by ...[text shortened]... y a few hundred years for this attempt to reconcile Faith with philosophy to fall into the mire.
I'm talking inner convictions. The inner light of this world , which has been kept alive by the enlightened masters, who wisely avoided such conflict.
Originally posted by finneganto finneqan
Somehow I feel people twist and turn to make words mean whatever they want them to mean. In a social context I think words mean what they are reasonably accepted by most people to mean.
The issue of Faith versus Reason has a history. One key historical event was when Augustine of Hippo concluded that it was not possible to support Christian teaching by ...[text shortened]... y a few hundred years for this attempt to reconcile Faith with philosophy to fall into the mire.
religious people certainly do twist words around, but spiritual poeple dont
cheers vishvahetu