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Originally posted by 667joewhy are you using the word created?
The world was obviously not created peerfect, or it would have stayed perfect.
Originally posted by jaywill“…Further more, your moral outrage at the death of "innocent children" assume a standard of morality….”
While it may be difficult to see why Adam was allowed to make a decision which brought Man out of a Paradise Situation into a world of sin, death, unbelief, rebellion, desease, and other calamities of the "curse" which resulted in Adam's disobedience, we do, nonetheless see God moving in the direction of restoring His creation to a Paradise.
Read about t will be richly rewarded for giving your heart to Christ for the sake of children.
Originally posted by KellyJayThere is a tremendous amount of suffering that is NOT chosen. Do you believe that a three year old with a brain tumor somehow chose that to happen. Or that his/her parents did something to cause that?
The world is what we make it for the most part, crimes against people
are only done when we act against one another. Things like sickness
or diseases are in large part due to other actions that have been
made by us, for example STD would pretty much go away if we really
did live according to scripture and sleep with the 'one' person we were
married too ...[text shortened]... is wrong, that too is on us and we
are the cause of those types of results as well.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJay“…The world is what we make it for the most part ….”
The world is what we make it for the most part, crimes against people
are only done when we act against one another. Things like sickness
or diseases are in large part due to other actions that have been
made by us, for example STD would pretty much go away if we really
did live according to scripture and sleep with the 'one' person we were
married too is wrong, that too is on us and we
are the cause of those types of results as well.
Kelly
Originally posted by kirksey957We live in a cursed world, those things do not come without cause,
There is a tremendous amount of suffering that is NOT chosen. Do you believe that a three year old with a brain tumor somehow chose that to happen. Or that his/her parents did something to cause that?
I think Job tells us that "man is born to suffer just as surely as the sparks fly upward."
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonListen, I have seen children suffer up close and personal, and I do not
[b]“…The world is what we make it for the most part ….”
Agreed. But what about the part that we didn’t make? Innocent children sometimes suffer not because anything us humans have done wrong and the suffering of those children too young to know what “faith” even is (let alone have “faith&rdquo😉 and that suffer as a result of nobodies fault and suf ...[text shortened]... So why would a good “god” (assuming a “god” exists) allow that if he isn’t testing our “faith“?[/b]
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonSo you do not believe in good or bad, right or wrong, and if that is
[b]“…Further more, your moral outrage at the death of "innocent children" assume a standard of morality….”
Wrong! I don’t have “moral outrage”, I have “emotional outrage”. That’s because I don’t believe there is such thing as “moral”.
“… If you have an Ultimate Standard of Morality, we well might call that "God" which would of course d ...[text shortened]... e to charity (which I have done) and to give practical help to them (which I am yet to do).
Originally posted by jaywillI could not disagree more stridently against this notion of suffering and you'd never find me preaching it, either.
Suffering is used by God to wrought Christ into them.
Suffering is used by God to work Himself into people.
Suffering is used by God to drive you out of the Adamic nature into the divine nature.
Suffering is used by God to get you to trust the God of resurrection.
Suffering is used by God to conform people to the image of Christ Who has ...[text shortened]... suffering. It comes. Turn your eyes to Jesus and enjoy Him in all situations and circumstances.
Originally posted by jaywillGod is the ultimate torturer.
Suffering is used by God to wrought Christ into them.
Suffering is used by God to work Himself into people.
Suffering is used by God to drive you out of the Adamic nature into the divine nature.
Suffering is used by God to get you to trust the God of resurrection.
Suffering is used by God to conform people to the image of Christ Who has and can p ...[text shortened]... le to enjoy God Himself in the midst of thier suffering and therefby overcoming their suffering.
Originally posted by jaywillerrrrm no. i ask you again, what kind of a sadist are you worshiping?
Suffering is used by God to wrought Christ into them.
Suffering is used by God to work Himself into people.
Suffering is used by God to drive you out of the Adamic nature into the divine nature.
Suffering is used by God to get you to trust the God of resurrection.
Suffering is used by God to conform people to the image of Christ Who has ...[text shortened]... suffering. It comes. Turn your eyes to Jesus and enjoy Him in all situations and circumstances.
Originally posted by KellyJay…I do not know why, if I did I'd tell you….
Listen, I have seen children suffer up close and personal, and I do not
wish that on anyone. I do believe this life is short, it is temporary, and
the suffering done here will not last, but what is to come will last, and
will not stop. I do not know why, if I did I'd tell you. I do know that
that in the middle of it all, no matter how bad it gets, God t ...[text shortened]... time those things will occur, and that God will not leave us as we go
through that too.
Kelly
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonThere is no God does not touch that question, there is sin is the
[b]…I do not know why, if I did I'd tell you….
I can tell you why for you: there is no god. That is the simplest hypothesis that explains why.[/b]
Originally posted by jaywillWhat happened to free will?
Suffering is used by God to wrought Christ into them.
Suffering is used by God to work Himself into people.
Suffering is used by God to drive you out of the Adamic nature into the divine nature.
Suffering is used by God to get you to trust the God of resurrection.
Suffering is used by God to conform people to the image of Christ Who has suffering. It comes. Turn your eyes to Jesus and enjoy Him in all situations and circumstances.