@kevin-eleven saidI'll wait for the screenplay.
RE: "Don't tell me that you only quote Scripture and don't interpret because you're mistaking yourself for the person you'd like to think you are."
Mm. My impression is that you believe yourself to be some kind of Christian teacher and Bible-discussion leader, but unfortunately it's clear just how tissue-thin is your veneer of religiosity.
To hold court in an egoce ...[text shortened]... thing.
For the ego to be transformed by Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit is quite another.
@kevin-eleven saidYes. No
But is that all you have to say? Have you no kindness to offer to him despite all that?
@kevin-eleven saidDo your avoid admitted "internal fog" by letting funky music videos do your discussing for you?
When you commune with Christ, do you occlude and block the connection with all your verbiage, or do you relax and let go of verbal combat so that the Son might shine in?
@vivify saidI understand.
Back in my church days, I was taught "perish" in the Biblical sense means go to hell. In other words, a "spiritual" death.
That is why I am attempting to come at the problem as being "taught" very little except what you are READING from the book which mentioned the word.
The famous phrase "would not perish but have eternal life" is found in the Gospel of John.
Chapter 1 doesn't say much about it.
Chapter 2 - not much
Chapter 3 "perish" is introduced
It seems to be a concept in opposite with eternal life.
It seems to be a concept in opposition to "the wrath of God".
I don't think there is much in chapter 4 to clarify it.
Now in chapter 5 judgment is also put in opposition to eternal life.
And judgment seems to be identified as a post dying, post resurrection again
event.
This scheme is not perfect though because I see latter aspects of judgment which occur while Jesus is on the earth carrying out his ministry.
But on closer examination the judgment carried out while Jesus is doing His work on earth is related to the salvation from judgement upon all who are to die and raised at some time in the future.
"Now is the judgment of this world; now shall the ruler of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." (12:31,32)
Anyway, for better or for worse I encourage people to read it for themselves and if possible approach the document with a exploratory attitude to ascertain what [b]"perish"{/b] could mean.
@sonship saidNo kidding! Thank you for letting me know that you perceive me to be a dimwit with your little dose of unrequested advice.
@Kevin-Eleven
Kevin-Elevin is sonship Kryptonite.
You're being flattered.
Divegeester is trying to manipulate you through flattery.
Watch him.
Did it ever occur to you that there might be layers and layers involved here?
The question is what could Jesus have meant by perish in the third chapter of the Gospel of John?
Interestingly, latter he refers to Judas as "the son of perdition".
In His mighty prayer to His Father He says -
"When I was with them, I kept them in Your name, which You have given Me, and I guarded them; and not one of them PERISHED, except the son of perdition . . . that the Scripture might be fulfilled. (John 17:12)
Perhaps we can get some clue here that the 11 disciples did not perish - "not one of them perished" - but Judas Iscariot the betrayer must be in the perishing class as the exception.
"except the son of perdition . . . "
Now one would have to ask what Jesus would have meant by this word - "perdition".
@divegeester
Jesus called Judas "the son of perdition".
Over in Matthew 26:24 He says of this "son of perdition" that it would have been good for him to have not been born.
"The Son of Man is going away, even as it is written concerning Him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matt. 26:24)
perdition - perish -resurrection of judgment - wrath - good to have not been born
This picture that comes about makes "perish" in John 3:16 look very bad.