Creationisms Back Door?

Originally posted by twhitehead
I don't celebrate Christmas except as a nod to my Christian family. Some of my relations are Christians who celebrate it as a non-Christian celebration ie its not part of their religious beliefs but is part of their culture.
And by the way, since you clearly don't know this, Christmas does not come from the same book as Genesis. It comes from a variety o ...[text shortened]... ons, and modern commercialism.
And I do not want Christmas taught in science class in school.

Pagans lived in the UK, they made sacrifices in wicker men when they were afraid or crops failed. They were easily converted, the winter solstice is still celebrated but only by a few.

Christmas is great and the Bible has good stories, if you don't want the Bible the only other great ancient stories come from the Greeks, but they were wiped out and the Christians are still here.

Originally posted by e4chris
Christmas is great and the Bible has good stories, if you don't want the Bible the only other great ancient stories come from the Greeks, but they were wiped out and the Christians are still here.

There are plenty of other great stories. The Lord of the Rings is one of my favorites. But what does this have to do with teaching fictional stories as fact in schools, or believing fictional stories are fact? Creationism is not about liking good Bible stories it's about believing they are factual accounts and trying to get other people to believe that they are.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I'm talking about the REST of the story. Are you ok with the US becomming Islamisized but in a Christian way, Abortion totally illegal and so forth?

I believe we, the people of the United States of American should apply the phrase "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" in our Constitution to as many of our people as possible. I don't think we should deprive the babies in the mother's womb of that chance by murdering them. So yes, I would be fine with making abortion illegal.

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Originally posted by twhitehead
There are plenty of other great stories. The Lord of the Rings is one of my favorites. But what does this have to do with teaching fictional stories as fact in schools, or believing fictional stories are fact? Creationism is not about liking good Bible stories it's about believing they are factual accounts and trying to get other people to believe that they are.

The Genesis account in the Holy Bible seems to me to be put forth as fact. It even continues with a genealogy to people that historians today believed to have lived. It could be that some aspects have been embellished or exaggerated, but I see no reason to believe they were meant to be fictional stories for entertainment purposes only.

The Instructor

Originally posted by e4chris
Pagans lived in the UK, they made sacrifices in wicker men when they were afraid or crops failed. They were easily converted, the winter solstice is still celebrated but only by a few.

Christmas is great and the Bible has good stories, if you don't want the Bible the only other great ancient stories come from the Greeks, but they were wiped out and the Christians are still here.

Wow your level of ignorance and stupidity in this thread is truly something to behold.

First off, and this is subjective, but the stories in the bible have always struck me as
being over simplified inept hand wringing moralising.
People talk about the beautiful poetry of the bible, but I have never seen that.
As far as I am concerned it sucks both morally and aesthetically.

Secondly, If you think the bible and the Greeks are the only ones with good stories in
the ancient world then you need to get out more.
Ever heard of the Norse myths, the great Nordic sagas?

The ancient world was littered with stories.

Also, when were the Greeks ever 'wiped out'?

It seems to me that Greece is still a country and still has Greeks in it...

Did you ever actually study history?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Wow your level of ignorance and stupidity in this thread is truly something to behold.

First off, and this is subjective, but the stories in the bible have always struck me as
being over simplified inept hand wringing moralising.
People talk about the beautiful poetry of the bible, but I have never seen that.
As far as I am concerned it sucks both ...[text shortened]... reece is still a country and still has Greeks in it...

Did you ever actually study history?

I'm being mauled by the dead sheep of chess. 😛

Originally posted by e4chris
I'm being mauled by the dead sheep of chess. 😛

His long-serving deputy at the Treasury, Joel Barnett, in response to a remark by a third party that "Denis Healey would sell his own grandmother", quipped, "No, he would get me to do it for him". On 14 June 1978, Healey likened being attacked by the mild-mannered Sir Geoffrey Howe in the House of Commons to being "savaged by a dead sheep".[14] Nevertheless, Howe appeared and paid warm tribute when Healey was featured on This Is Your Life in 1989. The two have been friends for many years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Healey

and

http://www.devon-cornwall-film.co.uk/2007/06/20/mauled-by-a-dead-sheep-video/

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/09/21/mauled-by-a-dead-sheep-from-cayman/

Originally posted by RJHinds
I believe we, the people of the United States of American should apply the phrase "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" in our Constitution to as many of our people as possible. I don't think we should deprive the babies in the mother's womb of that chance by murdering them. So yes, I would be fine with making abortion illegal.

The Instructor

RJ Could you perhaps point to a State that teaches Creationism as you think it should be?

And regarding your thoughts on abortion, do you think teaching creationism conditions people to think that way? That it enforces Christians wanting laws to back them up, banning abortion, not allowing gay marriage?

I think you have to be a bit arrogant to not heed to creationists - its like duh plants and insects took time, but 6000 years to mess up the world into our creation - that's true! But I don't like that slipping towards a Christian State - govt should always be secular I think.

Originally posted by JS357
His long-serving deputy at the Treasury, Joel Barnett, in response to a remark by a third party that "Denis Healey would sell his own grandmother", quipped, "No, he would get me to do it for him". On 14 June 1978, Healey likened being attacked by the mild-mannered Sir Geoffrey Howe in the House of Commons to being [b]"savaged by a dead sheep".[14] Neverthe ...[text shortened]... ideo/

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/09/21/mauled-by-a-dead-sheep-from-cayman/[/b]

🙂 think I remember that.

Originally posted by e4chris
🙂 think I remember that.

I agree.

Originally posted by e4chris
..., you celebrate Christmas but somehow in your modern mind the book that it came from is wrong...

Yes.
The bible is wrong.
Christmas is great.
No conflict there whatsoever.

Originally posted by e4chris
RJ Could you perhaps point to a State that teaches Creationism as you think it should be?

And regarding your thoughts on abortion, do you think teaching creationism conditions people to think that way? That it enforces Christians wanting laws to back them up, banning abortion, not allowing gay marriage?

I think you have to be a bit arrogant to not heed ...[text shortened]... I don't like that slipping towards a Christian State - govt should always be secular I think.

I do not know of any state supported schools that are even allowed to teach creationism any more. This has to be done in private schools, churches, or home schooling now.

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
Yes.
The bible is wrong.
Christmas is great.
No conflict there whatsoever.

is 'Hark the Herald Angles Sing' acceptable?

Originally posted by RJHinds
I do not know of any state supported schools that are even allowed to teach creationism any more. This has to be done in private schools, churches, or home schooling now.

The Instructor

Was there States that did? I agree with you that teaching biblical creation helps people to think in a positive way - even trying to counter it is healthy. But evolution is wicked and I wouldn't teach it well - even if I was a biology teacher - I'd say it explains crocodiles and it does.

Originally posted by e4chris
Was there States that did? I agree with you that teaching biblical creation helps people to think in a positive way - even trying to counter it is healthy. But evolution is wicked and I wouldn't teach it well - even if I was a biology teacher - I'd say it explains crocodiles and it does.

I don't know all the states that once taught creationism along with the evolution theory. However, I was raised in Texas and creationism was not forbidden there when I was in public school.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/01/how-texas-public-schools-still-teach-creationism

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