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What is actually the difference? Is it simply a case of how accepted the belief is in society? Or the number of believers? Or is there something more to it that I can't see?
Originally posted by ravenswoodThat's pretty much how I understood it. And yet there is still a prevailing attitude that religion is good and cult is bad.
A cult becomes a religion with time and respect.
Christianity, for instance, is a cult. It has it's tenure and any access to a history book will show you the respect was aquired via force. In many cases, christians still hold the hammer of god with white knuckles.
Google gives the first definition as:
"adherents of an exclusive system of religi ...[text shortened]... the sick, what do you think would happen to him?
The ATF would be knocking on his door!
8)
Originally posted by jimmyb270I define a cult where there is a central figure in the here and now is
What is actually the difference? Is it simply a case of how accepted the belief is in society? Or the number of believers? Or is there something more to it that I can't see?
Originally posted by kirksey957So how exactly is that different from religions?
There are several traits that distinguish religion from a cult. Cults have leaders who control by deception and manipulation of people who are vulnerable either physically or emotionally. A true spiritual leader is one who seeks to help others for the sole purpose of helping them and not making hemself to be a "savior."
Cults tell you it is unac ...[text shortened]... nothing" thinking.
Cults tell you that they are the only ones who will love and accept you.
Originally posted by jimmyb270My definition of cult is stricter than most. A cult is an organized group of people that use brain-washing technical to control the members of the group. Things like sleep and food deprivation, isolation, etc.
What is actually the difference? Is it simply a case of how accepted the belief is in society? Or the number of believers? Or is there something more to it that I can't see?
Originally posted by ColettiYou speaking more about means and methods of extreme brain
My definition of cult is stricter than most. A cult is an organized group of people that use brain-washing technical to control the members of the group. Things like sleep and food deprivation, isolation, etc.
For that reason, I do not consider the Mormon, or Seventh Day Adventists to be cults. They my be un-Christian, but that does not mean the same t ...[text shortened]... uses no more than speech and literature to recruit and indoctrinate members, it is not a cult.
Originally posted by KellyJayYes I know. My definition is not common. I use it to tell the difference between groups that use physical and chemical manipulation to control their members, verses groups that simply persuade members with words only.
You speaking more about means and methods of extreme brain
washing than what is a cult in my opinion.
Kelly
Originally posted by ColettiYour description of cult is good, you describtion of brain-washing technique is a bit too narrow and describe the milder forms of torture that are used more for information gathering by security forces than indoctrination which is in fact brainwashing.
My definition of cult is stricter than most. A cult is an organized group of people that use brain-washing technical to control the members of the group. Things like sleep and food deprivation, isolation, etc.
For that reason, I do not consider the Mormon, or Seventh Day Adventists to be cults. They my be un-Christian, but that does not mean the same t ...[text shortened]... uses no more than speech and literature to recruit and indoctrinate members, it is not a cult.
Originally posted by ravenswoodHe'd be a star on Christian TV lol
A cult becomes a religion with time and respect.
Christianity, for instance, is a cult. It has it's tenure and any access to a history book will show you the respect was aquired via force. In many cases, christians still hold the hammer of god with white knuckles.
Google gives the first definition as:
"adherents of an exclusive system of religi ...[text shortened]... the sick, what do you think would happen to him?
The ATF would be knocking on his door!
8)
Originally posted by frogstompYes. I don't know all the ways of brain-washing. I am familiar with some of the techniques common the 'cults.' A new recruit is isolated from the outside world, worked hard, and sleep deprived. As a reward for memorizing 'cult' literature - they are given a little more food and attention. This cycle continues until the recruit has completely absorbed and adopted the teachings of the cult. I'm sure that is just one of several methods used.
Your description of cult is good, you describtion of brain-washing technique is a bit too narrow and describe the milder forms of torture that are used more for information gathering by security forces than indoctrination which is in fact brainwashing.
Originally posted by kirksey957The first thing a cult needs is a charismatic leader , It's build around him . Charles Manson seems to have had an hypnotic effect on his followers and that's a common theme in cults.Koresh, Jones and others less well known have the same personality types and their followers have similarities too , mostly young people struggling with leaving the nest syndrone or an unhappy homelife , looking to "belong" probably more too.
Just compare Mother Theresa to say Jim Jones or David Koresh. Do you see differences? I do.