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    12 Feb '06 19:32
    Rejoice, rejoice! I invite all enlightened secularists and all intellectually stunted christian reactionaries to join me in celebrating the birthday of Charles Darwin, born on this day in 1809 (the same birthday as Abraham Lincoln). For more things Darwin, you can go to:

    http://www.darwinday.org/
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    12 Feb '06 19:512 edits
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Rejoice, rejoice! I invite all enlightened secularists and all intellectually stunted christian reactionaries to join me in celebrating the birthday of Charles Darwin, born on this day in 1809 (the same birthday as Abraham Lincoln). For more things Darwin, you can go to:

    http://www.darwinday.org/
    Intellectually stunted? I guess I qualify.

    Indeed, let's celebrate the man who knowingly or unknowingly gave ideological permission for genocide, racism and eugenics.
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    12 Feb '06 19:58
    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😠
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    12 Feb '06 19:59
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Intellectually stunted? I guess I qualify.

    Indeed, let's celebrate the man who knowingly or unknowingly gave ideological permission for genocide, racism and eugenics.
    Riiiiiiiight. Cuz those things were never encouraged thousands of years before in say . . . uh . . . the Hebrew Bible???
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    12 Feb '06 20:051 edit
    Originally posted by telerion
    Riiiiiiiight. Cuz those things were never encouraged thousands of years before in say . . . uh . . . the Hebrew Bible???
    Lol, one would be hard put to find biblical support for eugenics. As for the other two: thankfully we aren't living a couple thousand years ago.
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    12 Feb '06 20:12
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Lol, one would be hard put to find biblical support for eugenics. As for the other two: thankfully we aren't living a couple thousand years ago.
    Ok so it's a bit short of full-blown eugenics, but there are a lot of commands not to mix with other cultures, and much is made of keeping the Hebrews pure.

    Still it's more than unfair to place all that crap on Darwin. His theory doesn't support it any more than does the Big Bang. Nowadays the only people that spin eugenics, racism, and genocide from Darwin are Creationists trying to distort science.
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    12 Feb '06 20:13
    Originally posted by Halitose

    Indeed, let's celebrate the man who knowingly or unknowingly gave ideological permission for genocide, racism
    Jesus?
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    12 Feb '06 20:14
    Originally posted by Will Everitt
    Jesus?
    I'm afraid you have a lot to learn.
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    12 Feb '06 20:181 edit
    Originally posted by telerion
    Ok so it's a bit short of full-blown eugenics, but there are a lot of commands not to mix with other cultures, and much is made of keeping the Hebrews pure.

    Still it's more than unfair to place all that crap on Darwin. His theory doesn't support it any more than does the Big Bang. Nowadays the only people that spin eugenics, racism, and genocide from Darwin are Creationists trying to distort science.
    Na-ah. Here's the full title of the innocent sounding "Origin of Species": On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. The emphasis is my own, but this doesn't need a long shot in deducting the gist. This particular scientific theory had ethical ramifications.
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    12 Feb '06 20:22
    Originally posted by Will Everitt
    Jesus?
    Matthew 5:44 - But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
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    12 Feb '06 20:241 edit
    Originally posted by Peachy
    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😠
    I'm confused; at whom is this directed?
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    12 Feb '06 20:311 edit
    Originally posted by royalchicken
    I'm confused; at whom is this directed?
    Darwin? I doubt he would hear him. :'(

    Edit: Or is that the the Arabic way of saying happy birthday?
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    12 Feb '06 20:39
    Originally posted by Halitose
    I'm afraid you have a lot to learn.
    There have been holy wars have there not? The crusades. He might not of wanted them but there have been wars to do with him indirectly. The need to be in control of the holy land.
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    12 Feb '06 21:33
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Na-ah. Here's the full title of the innocent sounding "Origin of Species": On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. The emphasis is my own, but this doesn't need a long shot in deducting the gist. This particular scientific theory had ethical ramifications.
    Darwin was thinking of the human race. It was Herbert W, Spencer that perverted his idea to define "favored race" as the English, as opposed to the Irish (for example), and the white races as opposed to the black (for example), and that gave rise to the work of Darwin's cousin Sir Francis Galton, and the rise of eugenics, and the Anglo and American perversions of Piaget's notions of intelligence testing, as it still exists today.

    Stephen Jay Gould, The Mismeasure of Man summarizes this checkered history better than any other single volume.
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    12 Feb '06 21:34
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Na-ah. Here's the full title of the innocent sounding "Origin of Species": On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. The emphasis is my own, but this doesn't need a long shot in deducting the gist. This particular scientific theory had ethical ramifications.
    Here's the TalkOrigins explaination, and from googling around it also appears to be the common explaination that I'm getting from scholarly hits.

    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA005_2.html

    Basically "race" means variety, not skin color. Given the liberty you guys take with the Bible to make words not say exactly what they seem to, it's kinda telling that you don't even bother to check out the context on this one.
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