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Originally posted by KellyJayIf you have a position in a game of chess, you need not be a grand master to be able to say
Exactly how would you know what is good or bad when it comes to God making a choice?
You have the same insight God has so you can see why He does what He does?
that black is in a really hopeless position, if black is down to a knight, a bishop, and three pawns,
vs white who has [in addition to the above] their queen and both rooks left.
We don't need to know everything about the universe to be able to say with confidence what the
speed of light is, or determine with great accuracy the shape of the Earth... etc.
Good and Bad are [in context] statements of morality.
Where morality can be objectively determined [that's pretty much everywhere] we can know if a
particular action is good or bad even if we don't know everything possible to know about morality.
Similarly, if an action has a stated goal, we can look to see how effective that action was at achieving
that goal.
For example, we can look at abstinence only education systems, and see how 'effective' they are at
reducing teen sex/pregnancies/std's/ect.
And we can find different programs to be more or less successful even without knowing what a perfect
program would look like [or even if such a program could actually exist].
The upshot is, where an action [or inaction] of the god in the bible has consequences that were not intended
or where the stated goal was not achieved. Or where those actions are clearly and objectively immoral and
wrong/bad. We can tell and know this, even without having perfect knowledge.
You do not have to know everything to know anything.
And god does not get a free pass for supposedly being superior to us.
A 'fact', along with it's very existence, not in evidence.
Originally posted by googlefudgeIn chess, one can be down in material and have a forced mate in two. 😏
If you have a position in a game of chess, you need not be a grand master to be able to say
that black is in a really hopeless position, if black is down to a knight, a bishop, and three pawns,
vs white who has [in addition to the above] their queen and both rooks left.
We don't need to know everything about the universe to be able to say with con ...[text shortened]... r supposedly being superior to us.
A 'fact', along with it's very existence, not in evidence.
How can there be morality, good or evil, for an evilutionist, who believes everything came into existence by chance?
16 May 15
Originally posted by stellspalfieGod, by definition, cannot make decisions. He has to act perfectly good. Unless perhaps there are instances where two options have identical perfection and identical moral worth?
what is the worst decision god has ever made?
In addition, some theists claim he is independent of time, in which case he cannot 'act' at all.
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16 May 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadBy which/who's definition?
God, by definition, cannot make decisions. He has to act perfectly good. Unless perhaps there are instances where two options have identical perfection and identical moral worth?
In addition, some theists claim he is independent of time, in which case he cannot 'act' at all.
I wasn't aware that there was only one definition of/for god/s.
16 May 15
Originally posted by googlefudgeThe usual definition used by Christians on this forum includes the claim that God is perfect (whatever that may mean) and maximally morally good.
By which/who's definition?
I wasn't aware that there was only one definition of/for god/s.
If your question is 'what is the worst decision any god has ever made?', then I suggest you specify whether the god in question has to actually exist, or be believed to exist by someone here.
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16 May 15
Originally posted by KellyJay"Exactly how would you know what is good or bad when it comes to God making a choice?"
Exactly how would you know what is good or bad when it comes to God making a choice?
You have the same insight God has so you can see why He does what He does?
are you saying we cannot tell good from bad when it comes to god?
