Originally posted by Proper Knob I'm not sure where to start with this.
Firstly, twhitehead is a computer programmer, Agerg has just finished a maths degree, and i'm not sure what Andrew does but i'm sure he's not a scientist. So it appears in actual fact none of them are scientists which makes you're initial claim fall down like a pack of cards in a gusty wind.
Secondly, this w uld you just clarify 'exactly' what you mean there my good man before we continue?!
For your information,Andrew Hamilton is a low temperature physics expert.
So you are not happy with information technologist like twhithead being clubbed with scientists? That is not fair to either IT or Science ! According to you Maths is not a science ? Agerg may not like that.But low temperature physics is certainly science,I hope. Nice quibbling !
You are avoiding the point that many posters here who are scientists/have specialised into technology have equated God with tooth fairy and spaghetti monster and thus at one stroke claimed solving the biggest riddle facing humanity.
If the biggest riddle is knocked down in one blow what remains of other riddles?But if you want me rephrase my point,why,I am most willing to restate that these people have claimed solving the biggest riddle!
Originally posted by RJHinds So why can't we just agree to use the word "adaption" and drop the
term "evolution" so at least the two of us can get along nicely?
Evolution by natural selection is the title. I don't see why the terminology has to be changed simply because you don't understand what that means. It's up to you to educate yourself on the subject, not the whole scientific paradigm to change just because you don't 'get it'.
Originally posted by rvsakhadeo For your information,Andrew Hamilton is a low temperature physics expert.
So you are not happy with information technologist like twhithead being clubbed with scientists? That is not fair to either IT or Science ! According to you Maths is not a science ? Agerg may not like that.But low temperature physics is certainly science,I hope. Nice quibbling !
...[text shortened]... oint,why,I am most willing to restate that these people have claimed solving the biggest riddle!
For your information,Andrew Hamilton is a low temperature physics expert.
Taken from Andrew's profile - male heterosexual 46 year old science enthusiast. He maybe very knowledgeable about certain scientific fields but unless he's carrying out research and submitting his findings for peer-review, he ain't a scientist.
As for 'quibbling' (nice word), i think not. Pointing out that the 'scientists' in your statement are actually not scientists is rather pertinent.
You are avoiding the point that many posters here who are scientists/have specialised into technology have equated God with tooth fairy and spaghetti monster and thus at one stroke claimed solving the biggest riddle facing humanity
I didn't avoid any point, i was trying to find out what your actual point it is, i'm still not quite sure. I see though you've changed the scope of the riddle from 'all' to 'biggest'.
Could you provide quotes where they all say categorically that God does not exist?!
Originally posted by rvsakhadeo well my id is rvsakhadeo but thanks any way for quoting me !
What I have actually posted is that some of the scientists are ridiculing those and intolerant with those who over many generations of humanity tried to pierce the veils which prevent us from seeing the truth and succeeded.These include prophets,saints,philosophers and most notably,whom we cons ...[text shortened]... their "knowledge"( the information gathered by following scientific process) is not complete.
Originally posted by Proper Knob [b]For your information,Andrew Hamilton is a low temperature physics expert.
Taken from Andrew's profile - male heterosexual 46 year old science enthusiast. He maybe very knowledgeable about certain scientific fields but unless he's carrying out research and submitting his findings for peer-review, he ain't a scientist.
As for 'qu ...[text shortened]... ould you provide quotes where they all say categorically that God does not exist?![/b]
When all of them are saying God is equal to tooth fairy and spaghetti monster,does it not mean that according to them God does not exist ?
Originally posted by rvsakhadeo When all of them are saying God is equal to tooth fairy and spaghetti monster,does it not mean that according to them God does not exist ?
They believe God doesn't exist. Do they know God doesn't exist. No.
None of them have ever claimed, as you have said, that the riddle is solved.
Originally posted by Proper Knob They [b]believe God doesn't exist. Do they know God doesn't exist. No.
None of them have ever claimed, as you have said, that the riddle is solved.
Do you believe that fairies exist?[/b]
Let them say that they believe that God does not exist but they do not KNOW. I will be happy to hear that. That will be progress from atheism to agnostic atheism ( as per rwingett ) which is humbler and more acceptable.
I do not believe in tooth fairies or spaghetti monsters because my entire being i.e both sides of my brain says so but I believe in God because my entire being says so.
Originally posted by rvsakhadeo Let them say that they believe that God does not exist but they do not KNOW. I will be happy to hear that. That will be progress from atheism to agnostic atheism ( as per rwingett ) which is humbler and more acceptable.
I do not believe in tooth fairies or spaghetti monsters because my entire being i.e both sides of my brain says so but I believe in God because my entire being says so.
No atheist claims to know whether God exists or not, Dawkins included.
Originally posted by Proper Knob No atheist claims to know whether God exists or not, Dawkins included.
Can you categorically say fairies don't exist?!
You are ever so finicky about words used by your opposition but now you want me to say categorically (?) whether tooth fairies/spaghetti monsters exist or not ! I have already stated that I do not believe that they exist. Does it not satisfy you ? What is YOUR point if I may be permitted to ask( as if on leaving the enclosure of the accused in a courtroom)?
Originally posted by Proper Knob There are lots of things you can't prove exist, that doesn't mean you have to believe they all exist.
Or believe they don't!
Personally, I don't believe or not believe without evidence. The problem with believing is with the interpretation of the evidence. I've often argued that the evidence for the existence of God is all that exists. That's my interpretation of the evidence. You see it differently. One of us is wrong.
Originally posted by rvsakhadeo You are ever so finicky about words used by your opposition but now you want me to say categorically (?) whether tooth fairies/spaghetti monsters exist or not ! I have already stated that I do not believe that they exist. Does it not satisfy you ? What is YOUR point if I may be permitted to ask( as if on leaving the enclosure of the accused in a courtroom)?
I was finicky about words because you were changing definitions from post to post. Let me remind you of your original text which i queried -
But I request all theists to be patient with such scientists who claim to have solved all riddles facing humanity
The scientists are actually science enthusiasts and you didn't actually mean 'all' riddles. Pinning down what someone 'actually' means is rather important during an online discussion i think.
I didn't ask you if you believe fairies exist, i asked you if you can categorically say they don't exist?! Do you KNOW they don't exist?
Originally posted by Proper Knob I was finicky about words because you were changing definitions from post to post. Let me remind you of your original text which i queried -
But I request all theists to be patient with such scientists who claim to have solved all riddles facing humanity
The scientists are actually science enthusiasts and you didn't actually mean 'a ...[text shortened]... asked you if you can categorically say they don't exist?! Do you KNOW they don't exist?
I still do not see your point ! If I do not believe that tf/sm exist,why should I care to know whether they exist or not ? To me,belief is more paramount in supernatural matters than knowledge.To me belief is the first stage,knowledge comes next.If I do not believe, I may not bother to know.By the way, would you define" knowledge" for this discussion ?
To any person conversant with scientific process, a priori belief in the power of Logic is the first step.
Definition of Evolution
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