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    08 May '12 04:43
    http://www.creationtips.com/adam_heaven.html

    Unbelieveable........

    God clearly told Adam he wouild DIE and return to the dust he was made from.
    Not even the slightest mention of Adam ever living again.

    Genesis 2:16-17
    American Standard Version (ASV)

    16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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    08 May '12 06:10
    Originally posted by galveston75
    God clearly told Adam he wouild DIE and return to the dust he was made from.
    Not even the slightest mention of Adam ever living again.
    Somehow you correlate "dying and returning to dust" with "not going to heaven". How?
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    08 May '12 06:131 edit
    Originally posted by galveston75
    http://www.creationtips.com/adam_heaven.html

    Unbelieveable........

    God clearly told Adam he wouild DIE and return to the dust he was made from.
    Not even the slightest mention of Adam ever living again.

    Genesis 2:16-17
    American Standard Version (ASV)

    16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest free ...[text shortened]... d evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
    Another answer (to the question you obviously think you know the answer to) could be that as Adam was not a Jehovah's Witness and only Joehovah's Witnesses go to heaven, so he could not possibly be headed there?
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    08 May '12 06:16
    Originally posted by galveston75
    17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
    Are you here correlating the physical eating of fruit of the tree in the Garden of Eden with physical dying? If so how did everyone who has died since the fall managed to eat of that tree?

    Or are you saying that Adam's death was unique in the history of mankind in that he (and Eve) was the only person to eat from the tree?
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    08 May '12 06:20
    Originally posted by galveston75
    http://www.creationtips.com/adam_heaven.html

    Unbelieveable........

    God clearly told Adam he wouild DIE and return to the dust he was made from.
    Not even the slightest mention of Adam ever living again.

    Genesis 2:16-17
    American Standard Version (ASV)

    16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest free ...[text shortened]... d evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
    The Bible does not say that Adam went to Hell either. It says he died and returned to dust. I'm struggling to see your point really.
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    08 May '12 06:26
    Originally posted by galveston75
    http://www.creationtips.com/adam_heaven.html

    Unbelieveable........

    God clearly told Adam he wouild DIE and return to the dust he was made from.
    Not even the slightest mention of Adam ever living again.

    Genesis 2:16-17
    American Standard Version (ASV)

    16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest free ...[text shortened]... d evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
    Sorry about all the replies but I don't know where to start with this...

    Your OP reaches back the old question that's been put to JWs for decades and to you and robbie here several times - never satisfactorily answered:

    What must I do to be saved?.

    We have all eaten of the fruit of that tree, "all have fallen short of the glory of God", all of us have hearts that are "wicked beyond compare".
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    08 May '12 07:081 edit
    Originally posted by galveston75
    http://www.creationtips.com/adam_heaven.html

    Unbelieveable........

    God clearly told Adam he wouild DIE and return to the dust he was made from.
    Not even the slightest mention of Adam ever living again.

    Genesis 2:16-17
    American Standard Version (ASV)

    16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest free ...[text shortened]... d evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
    yes the article is particularly tenuous in its assertions, there is not the slightest mention
    in the Bible of Adam going to heaven but. . . .we can infer that he did. Their reasoning
    amounts to,

    1. God talked to them after their sin so Adam must have gone to heaven.
    2. God spoke a prophetic utterance to Satan so Adam must have gone to heaven.
    3. We dont go to hell so Adam must have gone to heaven.
    4. Adam is mentioned in Christ's genealogy so he must have gone to heaven.
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    08 May '12 15:00
    Originally posted by galveston75
    http://www.creationtips.com/adam_heaven.html

    Unbelieveable........

    God clearly told Adam he wouild DIE and return to the dust he was made from.
    Not even the slightest mention of Adam ever living again.

    Genesis 2:16-17
    American Standard Version (ASV)

    16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest free ...[text shortened]... d evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
    I would say he did, he new of God's plan of salvation.
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    08 May '12 15:38
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    I would say he did, he new of God's plan of salvation.
    Well to be factual, the plan of salvation had been put in motion by God but had not yet been activated in the sense that no one had been resurrected to heaven or to earth yet. Jesus was the first, so all that had died before him were still dead. And none before Jesus will go to heaven but all of God's people before Jesus knew of a resurrection in their future but only an earthly resurrection. No where in the Bible does it say anyone before Jesus will go to heaven or knew of that option that would open up later.
    And to answer the question about Adam being resurrected, it simply will not happen. God never told him about a resurrection and straight forward told him he would die. Not one mention anywhere in the Bible he would be resurrected. And why is that? Adam was perfect when he decided to go against God.
    Humans since Adam have been imperfect and we were "born" with sin.
    When we die, that washes our sin away and the purpose of a resurrection is to give us another chance in a better eviroment that Satan will be absent from.
    Adam already had that perfect enviroment and was perfect in body himself. When one is perfect and sins, there are no second chances other wise God would have given it to him then.
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    08 May '12 16:12
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Well to be factual, the plan of salvation had been put in motion by God but had not yet been activated in the sense that no one had been resurrected to heaven or to earth yet. Jesus was the first, so all that had died before him were still dead. And none before Jesus will go to heaven but all of God's people before Jesus knew of a resurrection in their ...[text shortened]... perfect and sins, there are no second chances other wise God would have given it to him then.
    The doctrine that we are born in sin is a false doctrine

    http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-are-we-born-sinners.htm

    Christ says Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are alive.

    "But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”

    (Luke 20:37-38 NKJV)
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    08 May '12 16:39
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The doctrine that we are born in sin is a false doctrine

    http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-are-we-born-sinners.htm

    Christ says Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are alive.

    "But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”

    (Luke 20:37-38 NKJV)
    Are you really serious? You are kidding, right? If you are serious then I've never met someone that has the Bible in front of them but yet is so blind to even the simplist truths that are in it.

    Romans 5:12
    American Standard Version (ASV)

    12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--

    You need to get off the internet and stop listening to these bozos that post that stupid stuff and pray to God to teach you. "Read your Bible".
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    08 May '12 17:21
    Am I being double-shunned now?

    😵
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    08 May '12 17:23
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes the article is particularly tenuous in its assertions, there is not the slightest mention
    in the Bible of Adam going to heaven but. . . .we can infer that he did. Their reasoning
    amounts to,

    1. God talked to them after their sin so Adam must have gone to heaven.
    2. God spoke a prophetic utterance to Satan so Adam must have gone to heav ...[text shortened]... ave gone to heaven.
    4. Adam is mentioned in Christ's genealogy so he must have gone to heaven.
    Did you want to address any of the questions in my responses to the the OP?
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    08 May '12 17:23
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Are you really serious? You are kidding, right? If you are serious then I've never met someone that has the Bible in front of them but yet is so blind to even the simplist truths that are in it.

    Romans 5:12
    American Standard Version (ASV)

    12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto a ...[text shortened]... g to these bozos that post that stupid stuff and pray to God to teach you. "Read your Bible".
    Did you want to address any of the questions in my responses to the the OP?
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    08 May '12 19:03
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Somehow you correlate "dying and returning to dust" with "not going to heaven". How?
    Well not all that die will go to heaven. In fact the vast majority of the dead will be resurrected right back here on earth where God intended us to be.
    If you can find any scriptures that say the opposite, go ahead.
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