@fmf saidMark 14:61-64
Not according to Matthew, Mark or Luke, it would seem.
What an omission!
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 "You have heard the blasphemy."
@vivify saidJohn 14:9
Mark 1:11
And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
It’s a quandary.
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He claimed to have all power in heaven and in earth, spoke knowledgeably of the relationship between the Father and Son, and pronounced the right to speak on authority of the Law. Also the things recorded allow only that a superior being could have predicted or fulfilled them. Jesus lived a time of Self discovery as human, though his Person had always existed in divine nature. The Lord can have both mercy and vengeance.
@divegeester saidJesus is also recorded as saying, “my God, why hast Thou forsaken me.” These words make no sense if Jesus was God.
It’s a quandary.
But Jesus is recorded as saying it.
Now come the tortured overinterpretations … the Trinity …
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@moonbus saidAnd then there are some Christians who claim if you do not believe in their Trinitarian interpretation you are not a Christian.
Jesus is also recorded as saying, “my God, why hast Thou forsaken me.” These words make no sense if Jesus was God.
Now come the tortured overinterpretations … the Trinity …
@divegeester saidWell, how can God forsake Himself? Pray, tell.
They do to me.
Jesus was both a man and God.
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@divegeester saidQuite right especially in view of Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Isaac Newton who also studied more than 250 ancient translation of Biblical text was a covert opposer to the notion of Trinity, which he ascribed to Athanasius and believed it was corruption of the original sources.
Trinitarianism makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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@divegeester saidAnd they refute that with '... its mysterious
Trinitarianism makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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@vivify said"Son of Man".
Mark 14:61-64
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 "You have heard the blasphemy."