Did Jesus claim to be God?
26 Jul '23 08:021 editNot according to Matthew, Mark or Luke, it would seem.
What an omission!
What an omission!
26 Jul '23 09:561 edit@fmf saidHe said of himself that he was "The Son of Man", in the Septuagint anthropos, meaning he was a representative of all mankind, not the son of one specific man (which would have been a different word in Greek).
Not according to Matthew, Mark or Luke, it would seem.
What an omission!
26 Jul '23 11:53@fmf saidNo Jesus did nothing of the sort. It appears that Jesus does not want people to focus on who or what he is. Peoples focus should be themselves and what they need to do. This is what the first 3 gospels record, and go into great detail about people's personal life and conduct.
Not according to Matthew, Mark or Luke, it would seem.
What an omission!
26 Jul '23 20:36@fmf saidJohn 14:9
Not according to Matthew, Mark or Luke, it would seem.
What an omission!
26 Jul '23 21:08@divegeester saidNo man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:18 KJV)
John 14:9
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
26 Jul '23 22:001 edit@rajk999 saidIt’s a quandary.
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:18 KJV)
26 Jul '23 22:03@divegeester saidA quandary caused by people focusing on what Jesus did not clearly say. Had all the worlds Christians just stick to the clear words of Jesus there would be one Christian religion based on, love for God and brotherly love.
It’s a quandary.
26 Jul '23 22:05@rajk999 saidPhilip asked Jesus to show him the Father, Jesus replied “if you have seen me you have seen the Father”.
A quandary caused by people focusing on what Jesus did not clearly say. Had all the worlds Christians just stick to the clear words of Jesus there would be one Christian religion based on, love for God and brotherly love.
No way in hell would Jesus ever say to some Depart from me, I never knew you because you did not believe I am God.
26 Jul '23 22:071 edit@divegeester saidYes ... To one man or small group of men, the disciples. In terms of what is required knowledge it carries very little weight compared to what Jesus preached to the thousands.
But Jesus is recorded as saying it.
26 Jul '23 22:09@divegeester saidYes, I would say he meant seeing me as good as seeing the Father. Jesus is not God, Jesus is clearly described as a mediator between God and men. Its like a negotiator he carries all the authority of whoever sends him, but he is not the sender.
Philip asked Jesus to show him the Father, Jesus replied “if you have seen me you have seen the Father”.
Do you think he meant something other than seeing him was seeing the Father?
26 Jul '23 22:34@rajk999 saidBut that isn’t what he said though, was it.
Yes, I would say he meant seeing me as good as seeing the Father.
26 Jul '23 22:54@divegeester saidA literal interpretation makes no sense and conflicts with other passages. So its either I ignore them as being not relevant to ones eternal life or I reinterpret them. Either way whether or not one believes that Jesus claims he is God or otherwise is not a critical matter.
But that isn’t what he said though, was it.
As a poster who has for years been writing about “the words of Jesus”, I’m a bit surprised to see you suddenly reinterpreting them.
26 Jul '23 23:10@rajk999 saidThere are lots of passages in the bible which conflict with other passages. I believe there is a strong narrative throughout the bible which leads to an understanding that Jesus was God in a veil of flesh. I’m comfortable knowing that other people disagree with this theme.
A literal interpretation makes no sense and conflicts with other passages. So its either I ignore them as being not relevant to ones eternal life or I reinterpret them. Either way whether or not one believes that Jesus claims he is God or otherwise is not a critical matter.
27 Jul '23 16:16@divegeester saidNot according to Matthew, Mark or Luke, it would seem.
But Jesus is recorded as saying it.
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