1. Standard memberRBHILL
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    Did Jesus Make or Drink Alcoholic Wine? John 2:1-11 (61 minutes)
    Heritage Baptist Church: Randleman, North Carolina; Harold McMillian

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    John 2:1-11 Names of God Bible (NOG)

    Jesus Changes Water into Wine

    1Three days later a wedding took place in the city of Cana in Galilee. Yeshua’s mother was there. 2 Yeshua and his disciples had been invited too.

    3 When the wine was gone, Yeshua’s mother said to him, “They’re out of wine.”

    4 Yeshua said to her, “Why did you come to me? My time has not yet come.”

    5 His mother told the servers, “Do whatever he tells you.”

    6 Six stone water jars were there. They were used for Jewish purification rituals. Each jar held 18 to 27 gallons.

    7 Yeshua told the servers, “Fill the jars with water.” The servers filled the jars to the brim. 8 Yeshua said to them, “Pour some, and take it to the person in charge.” The servers did as they were told.

    9 The person in charge tasted the water that had become wine. He didn’t know where it had come from, although the servers who had poured the water knew. The person in charge called the groom 10 and said to him, “Everyone serves the best wine first. When people are drunk, the host serves cheap wine. But you have saved the best wine for now.”

    11 Cana in Galilee was the place where Yeshua began to perform miracles. He made his glory public there, and his disciples believed in him.
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    18 Jan '15 01:56
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Did Jesus Make or Drink Alcoholic Wine? John 2:1-11 (61 minutes)
    Heritage Baptist Church: Randleman, North Carolina; Harold McMillian

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5251415543310

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=5251415543310

    John 2:1-11 Names of God Bible (NOG)

    Jesus Changes Water into Wine

    1Three days later a weddi ...[text shortened]... ua began to perform miracles. He made his glory public there, and his disciples believed in him.
    I can't seriously believe someone actually driveled on for 61 minutes about these eleven simple verses. Especially since John 1 is so much more interesting.
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    18 Jan '15 04:26
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Did Jesus Make or Drink Alcoholic Wine? John 2:1-11 (61 minutes)
    Heritage Baptist Church: Randleman, North Carolina; Harold McMillian

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5251415543310

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=5251415543310

    John 2:1-11 Names of God Bible (NOG)

    Jesus Changes Water into Wine

    1Three days later a weddi ...[text shortened]... ua began to perform miracles. He made his glory public there, and his disciples believed in him.
    Potable water was in limited supply; wine was the viable alternative.
    This vintage was the finest ever served... before or since.
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    18 Jan '15 04:51
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    This vintage was the finest ever served... before or since.
    Can one corroborate this assertion of yours from a non-Bible source?
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    18 Jan '15 05:41
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    I can't seriously believe someone actually driveled on for 61 minutes about these eleven simple verses. Especially since John 1 is so much more interesting.
    All sermons should be 61 minutes. In china and Africa they preach all day. Why be like us Americans and go for a 20 minute message?
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    18 Jan '15 06:19
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Did Jesus Make or Drink Alcoholic Wine? John 2:1-11 (61 minutes)
    Heritage Baptist Church: Randleman, North Carolina; Harold McMillian

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5251415543310

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=5251415543310

    John 2:1-11 Names of God Bible (NOG)

    Jesus Changes Water into Wine

    1Three days later a weddi ...[text shortened]... ua began to perform miracles. He made his glory public there, and his disciples believed in him.
    Perhaps it was the best non-alcoholic wine ever made. We can only guess. 😏
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    18 Jan '15 08:211 edit
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Did Jesus Make or Drink Alcoholic Wine? John 2:1-11 (61 minutes)
    Heritage Baptist Church: Randleman, North Carolina; Harold McMillian

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5251415543310

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=5251415543310

    John 2:1-11 Names of God Bible (NOG)

    Jesus Changes Water into Wine

    1Three days later a weddi ...[text shortened]... ua began to perform miracles. He made his glory public there, and his disciples believed in him.
    I'm not going to bother with the videos but I'd be interested in your take on this "alcohol" thing?

    I don't see anything religious in not taking alcohol in moderation; however most of us who do drink it possibly drink too much of it.

    The OT law and contemporary religious disciplines and abstaining, are an attempt to follow the commands "you will not" and make the inside pure from the outside. Impossible. Purity comes from the inside out, therefore "you will not" becomes an output of being changed inside, rather than an input to change the inside. Alcohol is food and drink which passes through the body - as scripture points out somewhere.

    I think the wine at Canna was alcoholic.
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    18 Jan '15 08:284 edits
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Did Jesus Make or Drink Alcoholic Wine? John 2:1-11 (61 minutes)
    Heritage Baptist Church: Randleman, North Carolina; Harold McMillian

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5251415543310

    http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=5251415543310

    John 2:1-11 Names of God Bible (NOG)

    Jesus Changes Water into Wine

    1Three days later a weddi ...[text shortened]... ua began to perform miracles. He made his glory public there, and his disciples believed in him.
    He certainly drank alcoholic wine at the passover celebration. Grapes were harvested in June September, the passover was held in March-April meaning that the wine Jesus drank would have certainly been fermented by then, even if no additional yeast or sugar was added. Grapes have natural yeast on their skins and containing natural fermentable sugars. In other words even if you simply crush and store them, they will ferment and produce alcohol.
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    18 Jan '15 08:43
    Originally quoted by RBHILL
    "The person in charge tasted the water that had become wine. He didn’t know where it had come from, although the servers who had poured the water knew. The person in charge called the groom 10 and said to him, “Everyone serves the best wine first. When people are drunk, the host serves cheap wine. But you have saved the best wine for now.”
    This verse suggests that Jesus had no objection to supplying "drunk" people with even more alcohol. Does this undermine the notion that alcohol "in moderation" is OK, as opposed to getting "drunk" being not OK?
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    18 Jan '15 09:251 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    This verse suggests that Jesus had no objection to supplying "drunk" people with even more alcohol. Does this undermine the notion that alcohol "in moderation" is OK, as opposed to getting "drunk" being not OK?
    The statement by the person in charge does not prove the people were drunk nor was it intended by the writer to give that impression. The purpose was to show how the creator of the universe could create from water and give it the appearance of age.

    In the beginning it was the earth that was created out of water. The evolutionist claim the earth is billions of years old. Does that mean they are drunk?
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    18 Jan '15 09:28
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The statement by the person in charge does not prove the people were drunk nor was it intended to give that impression. The purpose was to show how the creator of the universe could create from water and give it the appearance of age.
    The verse ~ in English ~ clearly suggests that the guests were already drunk when the good wine was created for them. If the "original Greek" suggests something different, then I don't know about that.
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    18 Jan '15 09:52
    Originally posted by FMF
    The verse ~ in English ~ clearly suggests that the guests were already drunk when the good wine was created for them. If the "original Greek" suggests something different, then I don't know about that.
    I just told you, so now you know about it. 😏
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    18 Jan '15 10:11
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I just told you, so now you know about it. 😏
    Do you think this verse somewhat undermines the notion (often bandied about by Christians who drink ~ I was one of them) that alcohol "in moderation" is OK, as opposed to getting "drunk" being not OK ~ leaving the devout drinker happy to define "in moderation" as per necessary? 😉
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    18 Jan '15 11:02
    Originally posted by FMF
    This verse suggests that Jesus had no objection to supplying "drunk" people with even more alcohol. Does this undermine the notion that alcohol "in moderation" is OK, as opposed to getting "drunk" being not OK?
    Not that you would but I can see you didn't listen to it. You could easily listen to it while playing live chess. That is when I listen to most of the sermons or a youtube video. When an important part comes up pause it until your game is over or resign and focus on the message.
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    18 Jan '15 11:04
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Not that you would but I can see you didn't listen to it. You could easily listen to it while playing live chess. That is when I listen to most of the sermons or a youtube video. When an important part comes up pause it until your game is over or resign and focus on the message.
    I'm just interested in the verse as it is written.
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