16 May '15 03:48>
Originally posted by RJHindsThere's quite good evidence for the existence of Pontius Pilate. Being an important person in Rome at the time there are reliable records of his existence. His modern equivalent would be an ambassador or going back to the 19th Century, if he were British, a Governor General, so there are records of his existence. He managed to get on the wrong side of Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, better known to history by his nickname Caligula, which was quite an easy thing to do and committed suicide in Gaul [1]. The point with him, Cleopatra, and Nero is that there is clear evidence of their existence and no good reason why they should have been invented.
It is ridiculous to claim Jesus did not exist as an historical character after about 2000 years of evidence that he did exist. This has been argued to death and there is no point in going into it again here, because anyone can find much material on his own that proves Jesus did exist.
All I am going to point out today is the Shroud of Turin with the Suda ...[text shortened]... e Kid to prove they existed. Does anyone doubt that Pontius Pilate, Cleopatra, or Nero existed?
In the case of Pilate there is the Pilate stone [2] as physical evidence of his existence. With Jesus it is less clear. Really there are only texts written by Christians and a few ambiguous and probably doctored references by non-Christian writers in the first century A.D.. There is no convincing physical evidence. The Turin Shroud was radio-carbon dated to the time it appeared in history and that is around the 14th Century - as a piece of evidence for the historicity of Christ it is entirely unconvincing.
The only thing that makes me think that Jesus was an historical character is that in the Gospels he referred to himself as the "Son of Man", this is a clever piece of mockery of the Principiate, specifically the Emperor Augustus who styled himself Imperātor Caesar Dīvī Fīlius Augustus [3] (Divi Filius = Son of God). This would be an odd thing to do for Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, to make up given that he was hoping to persuade the Romans to accept his religion.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_Stone
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus