Here's an anecdotal recap of the exercise of "faith" in my own life: 1) As a small boy I was curious about my father's workplace and asked him if he would take me there to see his office and meet some of the other employees. Dad said, "Sure. I'll be glad to when you're a few years older. I trusted him [simple early exercise of "faith"]; a few years later he kept his word. 2) At the age of fourteen, I told my parents how nice it would be to have my own car after passing the driver's license test in two years. Mom said, "Bob, are you saving any money from your earnings as a caddy at the country club weekends?" I said, "Yes". Dad then said, "Continue to save seriously and we'll pay the difference between your savings and the price of a used car." I trusted my parents and took them at their word [another simple exercise of "faith" as a teen]; two years later I owned my own car and began dating attractive girls [still remember the first, a cheerleader named Joanne]. 3) In December, 2010, I became partially paralyzed. By late January, 2011, my condition had worsened and my body weight decreased by sixty pounds [210 to 149]. My son was called and told: "Your father's near death." He and his wife booked a flight for a weekend visit. Ever try eating pizza catheterized and diapered in an open back hospital gown? Cool. lol I assured my son and his wife that even though a dozen specialists had been unable able to diagnose the cause of this debilitating paralysis, my life and times were securely in God's hands. By August I regained my mobility; and following strenuous physical therapy 5-6 days/week was discharged early April, 2012. Three physicians themselves shook my hand stating that I had been the recipient of a gradual miracle [another exercise of "faith" in God's plan and purpose for my life as an adult].
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyEquivocation.
Here's an anecdotal recap of the exercise of "faith" in my own life: [b]1) As a small boy I was curious about my father's workplace and asked him if he would take me there to see his office and meet some of the other employees. Dad said, "Sure. I'll be glad to when you're a few years older. I trusted him [simple early exercise of "faith"]; a ...[text shortened]... miracle [another exercise of "faith" in God's plan and purpose for my life as an adult].[/b]
The word 'faith' does not mean the same thing throughout the post.
Originally posted by googlefudge
Equivocation.
The word 'faith' does not mean the same thing throughout the post.
"faith noun
BrE /feɪθ/
; NAmE /feɪθ/
1 [uncountable] faith (in somebody/something) trust in somebody’s ability or knowledge; trust that somebody/something will do what has been promised."
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/learner/faith
May I ask your own operative definition of the word: "faith" in everyday speech within the English speaking world?
Originally posted by RJHindsNo one in Britain, or I should imagine anywhere else, calls themselves an "evilutionist". Partly because you are the only person who thinks that particular portmanteau is particularly clever and partly because no one who does accept the arguments in favour of evolution is going to call it that.
I know a lot of people that belief that. They call themselves atheists and evolutionists or in Britain, "evilutionists". 😏
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAs I have said many times."faith noun
BrE /feɪθ/
; NAmE /feɪθ/
1 [uncountable] faith (in somebody/something) trust in somebody’s ability or knowledge; trust that somebody/something will do what has been promised."
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/learner/faith
May I ask your own operative definition of the word: "faith" in everyday speech in the English speaking world?
Unless I specify otherwise, when I talk about faith on these forums [or generally] I
mean something along the lines of "A belief in the truth of a proposition without
evidence sufficient to justify such belief, or despite evidence that contradicts such a belief."
[What is sometimes referred to as 'blind faith']
I use that meaning because that is what all people who believe in the existence of a god or gods
are actually doing. And it's that meaning of the word that homes in on what I object to and argue
against.
This doesn't mean that other meanings of the word are not valid uses of it, the one you just sited
is one such meaning. And it's one that you used in your post. [the first two times]
However...
You then equivocated, because the last [3rd] use of the word faith in your post is not an example
of faith as a synonym for trust. What you are describing in the 3rd and last example is Blind Faith,
and is using the word faith to mean what I described at the top of this post.
Your first two 'examples of faith' are thus examples of something completely different than the
third 'example of faith'. And yet you make out like you are giving three examples of the same phenomena.
Hence, you equivocated. You changed the meaning of the word part way through your post.
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Originally posted by DeepThoughtActually to be fair, he belongs to a rather large group of fundies who would all quite happily use
No one in Britain, or I should imagine anywhere else, calls themselves an "evilutionist". Partly because you are the only person who thinks that particular portmanteau is particularly clever and partly because no one who does accept the arguments in favour of evolution is going to call it that.
the same stupid 'terminology'.
Originally posted by googlefudgeThanks for your prompt and detailed reply. Please note that I first trusted my father's word; and then my parents' promise; and then my trust and absolute confidence in the promises in the Word of God. Comes as no surprise that you've ipso facto rejected the third anecdotal example. I understand your rationale and respect your volitional freedom to voice disagreement with and rejection of my belief in the efficacious work of the risen, ascended, seated person of Jesus Christ which is the sole basis of my trust.
As I have said many times.
Unless I specify otherwise, when I talk about faith on these forums [or generally] I
mean something along the lines of "A belief in the truth of a proposition without
evidence sufficient to justify such belief, or despite evidence that contradicts such a belief."
[What is sometimes referred to as 'blind faith']
I use tha ...[text shortened]... henomena.
Hence, you equivocated. You changed the meaning of the word part way through your post.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhat makes the difference, is that the first two examples are of trust in the word of
Thanks for your prompt and detailed reply. Please note that I first trusted my father's word; and then my parents' promise; and then my trust and absolute confidence in the promises in the Word of God. Comes as no surprise that you've ipso facto rejected the third anecdotal example. I understand your rationale and respect your volit ...[text shortened]... work of the risen, ascended, seated person of Jesus Christ which is the sole basis of my trust.
people you had detailed experience with and tons of evidence upon which to base
your trust.
The third example, is of you placing your hope of recovery on a being you have never
met and have no experience of. For which there is no evidence that they exist.
And then crediting that probably non-existent being with your recovery based on no
evidence whatsoever. The last example is an example of blind faith.
The first two are examples of trust, earned and evidenced.
They are not the same thing
And to be clear, what I am doing right now is pointing out that they are not the same thing.
I am not claiming that any didn't happen, or disputing what you think or feel about them.
What I am doing is pointing out that these are not three examples of the same phenomena.
They are two examples of one phenomena, followed by a third example of a totally different
phenomena, that just happens to use the same word to label it.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtThe speech accent of some British atheists sounds like they are saying Evil-lution to me. 😏
No one in Britain, or I should imagine anywhere else, calls themselves an "evilutionist". Partly because you are the only person who thinks that particular portmanteau is particularly clever and partly because no one who does accept the arguments in favour of evolution is going to call it that.
Listen carefully at the pronunciation in this video.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtBut I think "portmanteau" is a beautiful word.
No one in Britain, or I should imagine anywhere else, calls themselves an "evilutionist". Partly because you are the only person who thinks that particular portmanteau is particularly clever and partly because no one who does accept the arguments in favour of evolution is going to call it that.