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    Romans 7:6

    "But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of letter."


    Romans 7:4

    "So then, my brothers, you also have been made dead to the law through the body of Christ so that you might be joined to another, to Him who has been raised from the dead, that we may bear fruit to God."


    How can the Christian bear fruit to God and still be "discharged from the law" ?

    How is the Christian discharged ?
    Interested parties please read Paul's analogy of the two husbands in Romans 7:1 - 6.

    Then go on to read the whole of chapter 7.
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    For starters, the believers are discharged from the law for three reasons in these verses.

    1.) be joined to Him who has been raised from the dead (v.4)
    2.) to bear fruit to God (v.4)
    3.) to serve God in newness of spirit (v.6)

    Discharged from the law, why?

    " ... so that you might be joined to another, to Him who has been raised from the dead ..." (v.4)

    " ... that we might bear fruit to God" (v.4)

    "... so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of letter." (v.7)
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    22 Jul '17 10:39
    When Rajk999 mentions that we have to keep the commandments of Jesus, I wonder if he thinks of the New Testament as additional commandments to be added to the 10 to 600 or so commands of the Law of Moses.

    Is his "Do what Jesus commanded" like the 11th, 12th, and ... Nth commandments to be kept like those under the law of Moses ?

    Who gets a similar sense that this is the flavor of his exhortation to "keep the commands of Jesus" ?
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    Do you understand who the two husbands are in Paul's analogy?
    It is not that easy.

    I don't think I could get it without the help that i received from others with more experience.

    "For the married woman is bound by the law to her husband while he is living; but if the husband dies, she is discharged from the law of her husband." (v.2)


    This is very profound and very true.
    Do you understand what Paul means ?
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    22 Jul '17 11:01
    Originally posted by @sonship
    When Rajk999 mentions that we have to keep the commandments of Jesus, I wonder if he thinks of the New Testament as additional commandments to be added to the 10 to 600 or so commands of the Law of Moses.

    Is his "Do what Jesus commanded" like the 11th, 12th, and ... Nth commandments to be kept like those under the law of Moses ?

    Who gets a similar sense that this is the flavor of his exhortation to "keep the commands of Jesus" ?
    Another comedy thread. Again trying to justify your doctrine that Christians do not have to follow the commandments of Christ. .. 😀
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    22 Jul '17 11:06
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Do you understand who the two husbands are in Paul's analogy?
    It is not that easy.

    I don't think I could get it without the help that i received from others with more experience.

    [b] "For the married woman is bound by the law to her husband while he is living; but if the husband dies, she is discharged from the law of her husband." (v.2)


    This is very profound and very true.
    Do you understand what Paul means ?[/b]
    You needed someone to explain that to you ?
    Nothing profound at all about it -- its simple common sense
    I know a few teenage Christians who can tell you what Paul means.

    The Law of Moses is dead [first husband]
    Therefore people are free from that law.

    Christ is the new husband
    Therefore people are now under the law of Christ
    Also called the commandments of Christ

    You are under the commandments of Christ.
    You have to follow Christ commandments.
    Your continued attempts to preach this departure from Christ makes you a false teacher.
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    22 Jul '17 11:08
    Originally posted by @sonship
    When Rajk999 mentions that we have to keep the commandments of Jesus, I wonder if he thinks of the New Testament as additional commandments to be added to the 10 to 600 or so commands of the Law of Moses.

    Is his "Do what Jesus commanded" like the 11th, 12th, and ... Nth commandments to be kept like those under the law of Moses ?

    Who gets a similar sense that this is the flavor of his exhortation to "keep the commands of Jesus" ?
    I've been saying the same thing for a long time, but he has a veil there.
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    22 Jul '17 11:15
    Originally posted by @sonship
    [b] Romans 7:6

    "But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of letter."


    Romans 7:4

    [quote] "So then, my brothers, you also have been made dead to the law through the body of Christ so that you might be join ...[text shortened]... the two husbands in [b]Romans 7:1 - 6.

    Then go on to read the whole of chapter 7.[/b]
    Discharged from ... THE LAW OF MOSES.

    No Christian can ever be discharged from the commandments of Christ

    Read the whole book of Romans and you will see that.
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    22 Jul '17 11:20
    Originally posted by @checkbaiter
    I've been saying the same thing for a long time, but he has a veil there.
    Oh yeah .. another Christian who thinks he is too righteous to follow Christ.
    Or is it that you automatically follow Christ.
    No sorry .. you are in another dispensation.. and therefore exempt from following commandments.

    I would love to hear what you people will tell Christ in judgment day .. Oh Jesus said it. Here it is:

    Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord,
    when saw we thee an hungred,
    or athirst,
    or a stranger,
    or naked,
    or sick,
    or in prison,
    and did not minister unto thee?
    Then shall he answer them, saying,
    Verily I say unto you,
    Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these,
    ye did it not to me.
    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: ...
    (Matthew 25:44-46 KJV)


    So I suggest you start following, otherwise everlasting punishment awaits you pal.

    As for this delusion that this applies to people who refuse to help Christians fleeing the tribulation .. that is just wishful thinking of a fool.
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    22 Jul '17 11:33
    Originally posted by @sonship
    When Rajk999 mentions that we have to keep the commandments of Jesus, I wonder if he thinks of the New Testament as additional commandments to be added to the 10 to 600 or so commands of the Law of Moses.

    Is his "Do what Jesus commanded" like the 11th, 12th, and ... Nth commandments to be kept like those under the law of Moses ?

    Who gets a similar sense that this is the flavor of his exhortation to "keep the commands of Jesus" ?
    Freed from the LAW OF MOSES And now under the LAW OF CHRIST.

    In a nutshell Paul explained just a couple chapters later the core of these commandments:

    Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:
    for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
    For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery,
    Thou shalt not kill,
    Thou shalt not steal,
    Thou shalt not bear false witness,
    Thou shalt not covet;
    and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,
    Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:
    therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
    (Romans 13:8-10 KJV)


    This is the law of Christ which Paul explains, under which all Christians will be judged,
    Those who follow will enter the Kingdom of God
    Those who dont will face eternal damnation.
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    22 Jul '17 11:39
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Freed from the LAW OF MOSES And now under the LAW OF CHRIST.

    In a nutshell Paul explained just a couple chapters later the core of these commandments:

    [i]Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:
    for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
    For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery,
    Thou shalt not kill,
    Thou shalt not steal,
    Thou ...[text shortened]... d,
    Those who follow will enter the Kingdom of God
    Those who dont will face eternal damnation.
    Why do the words spoken by Jesus in John 3:16 not qualify as part of the law of Christ?
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    22 Jul '17 11:40
    In every single letter to Christian Saints, Paul explains how critical the commandments of Christ are to ones eternal life. There is NO ETERNAL LIFE FOR CHRISTIAN SAINTS WHO LIVE A LIFE OF SIN. .. NONE. THEY WILL BE DESTROYED

    Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
    And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us,
    and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
    But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness,
    let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
    Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting,
    which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
    For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person,
    nor covetous man, who is an idolater,
    hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
    (Ephesians 5:1-5 KJV)


    Note well sonship how you continue to violate the teachings of Christ and Paul.

    No Christian Saint who lives a life of sin, has any inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ, and of God

    Did you read that?

    NO INHERITANCE IN THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST
    This refers to Christ millennial reign on the Earth

    NO INHERITANCE EITHER IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD
    This is the New Jerusalem Kingdom after that

    Your doctrine that Christians will be perfected in the millennial reign of Christ is unbiblical garbage.
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    22 Jul '17 11:55
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    In every single letter to Christian Saints, Paul explains how critical the commandments of Christ are to ones eternal life. There is NO ETERNAL LIFE FOR CHRISTIAN SAINTS WHO LIVE A LIFE OF SIN. .. NONE. THEY WILL BE DESTROYED

    [i]Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
    And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us,
    and hath given himself ...[text shortened]... trine that Christians will be perfected in the millennial reign of Christ is unbiblical garbage.
    Would you say everyone who never stops sinning is living a life of sin?
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    22 Jul '17 12:07
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Would you say everyone who never stops sinning is living a life of sin?
    Jesus is the righteous judge that will judge all men.
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    22 Jul '17 12:13
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Jesus is the righteous judge that will judge all men.
    So according to you no one has assurance of salvation? We should just give it our best shot and hope for the best?
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