@philokalia said"Good judges"?
Why do you think the foremost experts on Christianity, who guarded it as it was passed down and canonized the very Bible itself, would not be good judges of what is heretical and what is not?
@philokalia said"Foremost experts"?
Why do you think the foremost experts on Christianity, who guarded it as it was passed down and canonized the very Bible itself, would not be good judges of what is heretical and what is not?
@philokalia saidJesus condemns the keeping of traditions if it conflicts with the Word of God.
How am I a Pharisees?
Because I believe that the way that people have interpreted God via their readings from the New Testament for the last 2,000 years is accurate?
Are Pharisees famous for also affirming the viewpoint of other Christian groups?
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. (Mark 7:9-13 KJV)
I already pointed out to you where Jesus said things which contradicted the doctrine of the Trinity, which you ignored. Since you are focused on the doctrine of the church and cannot read the bible for yourself then it seems we have no common ground on which to discuss this.
@chaney3 saidWhy?
A Christian cannot just dismiss parts of the bible they dislike.
Nor can they reject the trinity in favor of a "godhead" dynamic, that nobody else believes.
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@chaney3 saidOh, now, it's not as if Dive is the Rasputin of the Spirituality forum. For instance, I think it highly unlikely that Dive has had a copy of his penis 3D-printed to keep in a pickle jar next to his monitor just to gloat upon his own puissance.
If Dive rejects hell, does he also reject the bible?
Does he forfeit his Christianity status?
But Christianity has flowered into a wide diversity of expressions and understandings, so even though Dive does seem to have a remarkably idiosyncratic take on Christianity, I would be willing to take him at his word if convincing evidence ever happened to present itself (although I do suspect that he is just posing as a Christian to troll the forum 😉 ).
@rajk999 saidI am honestly unaware of where your material is that contradicts the Trinity because such material basically doesn't exist when the whole of the New Testament is contextualized.
Jesus condemns the keeping of traditions if it conflicts with the Word of God.
[i]And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is t ...[text shortened]... cannot read the bible for yourself then it seems we have no common ground on which to discuss this.
As far as this, the Pharisees were creating their own tradition which was independent of that of Moses. The Talmudic Judaism is not the real Judaism of the Torah -- that is a really big topic unto itself, and I am no expert on it. Would love to study it in depth some day.
@wolfgang59 saidEveryone has their own world views, it is simply the way it is. They use it to view the whole, and each little part, if they include God or not is up to them.
Everyone who "has religion" has their own religion.
@kellyjay saidApproximately 7% of the world's population are atheists, so that means that somewhere in the region of 7,000,000,000 people "include God [or Gods]" in their world views.
Everyone has their own world views, it is simply the way it is. They use it to view the whole, and each little part, if they include God or not is up to them.