13 Dec 22
@divegeester saidThe scriptures tell us about the Lord, how would you know anything about Him without them. Jesus said as much talking to the people when He said what Moses wrote was about Him. You can’t dismiss scripture and have any hopes from understanding anything about the Lord. The Holy Spirit too sent by God and we know that by the written Word too, the Holy Spirit and the Word do not disagree with each other that is our check against error.
As I’ve told you many times, my faith is rooted in Jesus Christ.
Yours is rooted in a book.
@kellyjay saidDo you believe that the experiences people have of Jesus and God being in their lives ~ where they do not share your specific interpretation of the scriptures ~ are invalid and they are comparable to "Atheists" and "the Anti-Christ"?
The scriptures tell us about the Lord, how would you know anything about Him without them. Jesus said as much talking to the people when He said what Moses wrote was about Him. You can’t dismiss scripture and have any hopes from understanding anything about the Lord. The Holy Spirit too sent by God and we know that by the written Word too, the Holy Spirit and the Word do not disagree with each other that is our check against error.
13 Dec 22
@fmf saidApparently only if he is not being “restrained” by Jesus at the time.
Do you believe that the experiences people have of Jesus and God being in their lives ~ where they do not share your specific interpretation of the scriptures ~ are invalid and they are comparable to "Atheists" and "the Anti-Christ"?
13 Dec 22
@kellyjay saidHow do you account for the survival of early Christian communities in the 300 years before the Gospels were written and canonized? The NT you know did not exist until 325 AD.
The scriptures tell us about the Lord, how would you know anything about Him without them. Jesus said as much talking to the people when He said what Moses wrote was about Him. You can’t dismiss scripture and have any hopes from understanding anything about the Lord. The Holy Spirit too sent by God and we know that by the written Word too, the Holy Spirit and the Word do not disagree with each other that is our check against error.
@moonbus saidThe letters and gospels were written in the time frame of the believers that knew
How do you account for the survival of early Christian communities in the 300 years before the Gospels were written and canonized? The NT you know did not exist until 325 AD.
the Lord while He walked on earth as a man, making those that lived during that
time able to say, "No, it didn't happen that way," and they were accepted as
Scripture at that time. Many of the texts refer to other writers, as Peter talks about
Paul, Luke is brought up by Paul, it would have been easy to spot the frauds during
the time around Jesus' life on earth. Once distributed around the known world in
different languages it was much easier to officially canonize them as they were
already a very well know set of text, they were simply getting the truth in a place
that kept the false writings out of circulation, if there was doubt it was kept out.
They were copied and distributed in several languages on several continents at
the time of their first publishment making anyone's ability to alter them less likely
since there were so many versions out there to compare each with, that also made
it easy to bring together what everyone already knew was the truth in the writings.
Checks and validation were put in place, this wasn't a little thing being done before
God, as they were looked at to make sure of the actual authorship of each. Lives
were lost preserving them from people who were also writing unfactual versions,
and those afterward attempting to keep them in the hands of people who did want
to control them. The more copies written and dispersed the easier it is to know that
what you are reading is true.
The various creeds around the world people used also validate the stories as well.
13 Dec 22
@kellyjay saidThere is evidence that they weren’t “written in the time frame of the believers that knew the Lord while He walked on earth as a man”.
The letters and gospels were written in the time frame of the believers that knew
the Lord while He walked on earth as a man
What evidence do you have to substantiate your claim that they were “written in the time frame of the believers that knew the Lord while He walked on earth as a man”.?
@divegeester saidNo doubt kellyjay will completely ignore this question and attempt to focus on his personal vendetta to accuse me of “aligning with atheists” … or an antichrist even!
There is evidence that they weren’t “written in the time frame of the believers that knew the Lord while He walked on earth as a man”.
What evidence do you have to substantiate your claim that they were “written in the time frame of the believers that knew the Lord while He walked on earth as a man”.?
13 Dec 22
@divegeester saidIf you don’t believe that they are from God and not man, then any man’s word carries the same weight of truth. So any opinion and scripture would be no different from each other in truth. Making you feel perfectly consistent and content correcting the Word with your so called new wine understanding instead of being corrected by it, as is your custom!
No one has suggested that we cannot know anything about Jesus without the scriptures.
You’re reaching kellyjay.
13 Dec 22
@divegeester saidThere is evidence that they were but no doubt you side against those and have refused to look at some I have attempted to show you.
There is evidence that they weren’t “written in the time frame of the believers that knew the Lord while He walked on earth as a man”.
What evidence do you have to substantiate your claim that they were “written in the time frame of the believers that knew the Lord while He walked on earth as a man”.?
Your complaining about links are to large so you don’t want to watch became meaningless to me when I gave you one less than 4 minutes long, you always have an excuse!