Do numbers lie?

Do numbers lie?

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Originally posted by jaywill
Some guy who I am playing chess just accused me of cheating !

Like I knew how to use a chess engine if I had one.
And the guy is winning the game too.
What does this have to do with RJHinds' engine matchup rates?

Can't win a game of

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How do you get an engine? Do you pay for the software? LOL Now the funny thing is if my rating suddenly jumps way up we have a problem LOL 😉 I've noticed the wall or hill graph thing is a tell tale sign of engine use. All of the people ever banned had this ascending graph that looks ridiculously steep. Not accusing anyone but being the spiritual forum honesty (Specially by Christians) should be expected to some level I would hope. PS: I just want to win a few more than I do LOL


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Originally posted by FMF
What does this have to do with RJHinds' engine matchup rates?
Heck if I know. Make a complaint if you think something shaddy is going on.


If he is cheating, shame on him. I don't need to tell him that if he is cheating he should apologize and stop.

Oh, this stuff about statistics and numbers ? I only partially follow what that is all about.

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Originally posted by jaywill
Heck if I know. Make a complaint if you think something shaddy is going on.


If he is cheating, shame on him. I don't need to tell him that if he is cheating he should apologize and stop.

Oh, this stuff about statistics and numbers ? I only partially follow what that is all about.
Did the guy who accused you of cheating cite high engine matchup rates in your moves?

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Originally posted by RJHinds
The only reason you have been checking on me as that ever since I came
on here I have challenged your ridiculous beliefs in atheism and evolution
and made you look like a fool. You are also jealous that I am doing better
in the chess, admit it. You are not checking the last twenty games of the
top ranked players, only me. Is that because I speak up f ...[text shortened]... players alone.
They have made no challenge to your intelligence or religion as I have,
right?
Our contentions with your stem not so much with your objections to our atheistic standpoints but the manner in which you present your..ahem...'arguments'.
To put it simply, the expected minimum critical thinking skills required for a 2200+ chess player are inconsistent with the posts you make. Indeed you come across as a complete fecking idiot!


Hope this helps 🙂

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I don't know if any of you ever heard of Hans Berliner. He was the
World Correspondence Chess Champion, from 1965–68. I was deep
into studying everything in chess I could get my hands on at that
time. I was always solving the puzzle printed in newspapers, etc.
I came across this one by Hans Berliner in which he gave the winning
procedure. I saw a mistake in it and wrote him and told him of my
defense. He sent me a postcard in reply saying he had gotten that
out of an opening book and said the analysis had obviously not been
done too good, because he agreed with me. I kept that card for a
long time even as I moved from station to station while in the Army.
It may be in one of the boxes that I have some of my old Chess Life
magazines stored. But the point is that I was able to analyze and
find a good move combination that even a World Correspondence
Chess Champion overlooked. I don't believe there were any chess
computer programs worth a flip back then.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't know if any of you ever heard of Hans Berliner. He was the
World Correspondence Chess Champion, from 1965–68. I was deep
into studying everything in chess I could get my hands on at that
time. I was always solving the puzzle printed in newspapers, etc.
I came across this one by Hans Berliner in which he gave the winning
procedure. I saw a mi ...[text shortened]... n overlooked. I don't believe there were any chess
computer programs worth a flip back then.
You have a chin like granite RJ.

Keep up the good fight.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't know if any of you ever heard of Hans Berliner. He was the
World Correspondence Chess Champion, from 1965–68. I was deep
into studying everything in chess I could get my hands on at that
time. I was always solving the puzzle printed in newspapers, etc.
I came across this one by Hans Berliner in which he gave the winning
procedure. I saw a mi ...[text shortened]... n overlooked. I don't believe there were any chess
computer programs worth a flip back then.
This does not explain the extraordinarily high chess engine matchup rates evident in your moves as shown by the data many people here have now seen.

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Originally posted by josephw
You have a chin like granite RJ.

Keep up the good fight.
Have you seen the engine matchup rates in question?

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Originally posted by FMF
Have you seen the engine matchup rates in question?
If he did, I doubt he would understand anymore than I do how it proves
what you think it does. I doubt if you understand either. I believe you
are just going along on the bandwagon.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
If he did, I doubt he would understand anymore than I do how it proves
what you think it does. I doubt if you understand either. I believe you
are just going along on the bandwagon.
I saw initial analysis of your moves, and how they match engine moves, several weeks ago. I would suggest that you either need to apologize and promise not to do it again, or mount a rather more serious defence/explanation of what you and [almost] everyone else knows the data show.

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Originally posted by FMF
Did the guy who accused you of cheating cite high engine matchup rates in your moves?
He said everytime he makes a good move, I take a long pause.
He seems to think I am doing nothing else but sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for him to play chess.

He is now on my ignore list because I told him one more nasty message and I would report him. So I got another accusation and I reported him or her under Abuse.

That player is now on my ignore list. The game is suspended which means he will probably claim a skull since I refuse to play any more with him.

I think the guy needs professional psychological help myself.

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Originally posted by jaywill
He said everytime he makes a good move, I take a long pause.
He seems to think I am doing nothing else but sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for him to play chess.

He is now on my ignore list because I told him one more nasty message and I would report him. So I got another accusation and I reported him or her under Abuse.

That player is now ...[text shortened]... se to play any more with him.

I think the guy needs professional psychological help myself.
I have never had any bad experience with abusive comments in a chess game here, although I hear that it happens often enough. I had a very very strange "chat" with Dasa when we tried to play once a year or so ago. I ended up just resigning. I would probably have lost anyway. 🙂

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Originally posted by FMF
I saw initial analysis of your moves, and how they match engine moves, several weeks ago. I would suggest that you either need to apologize and promise not to do it again, or mount a rather more serious defence/explanation of what you and [almost] everyone else knows the data show.
This has been a long time ago and I know I can not play as good moves
OTB as I can do here now that I have started using the analysis board,
before making a move, which everybody can do. But on Independence
Day Weekend of 1982, I went to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to play in
my section of the World Open Chess Champonship and walked away
with $4,500 in prize money. There were no computers used. Have
you at any time won that much money playing chess? If not, what
authority do you have that gives you the right to bear false witness
against a Christian? I have not played OTB chess since that time, but
I plan on joining the USCF again and playing some more OTB. But in
the meantime, I would like you to put up your proofs to the proper
authorities or stop spreading your rumors.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
...I went to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to play in my section of the World Open Chess Champonship and walked away with $4,500 in prize money. There were no computers used. Have you at any time won that much money playing chess? If not, what authority do you have that gives you the right to bear false witness against a Christian?
It's not about me. And it's not about you being a Christian. It's about the engine matchup rates data, RJHinds.