27 Jul 14
...tell the difference between the truth and a lie about the truth?
Please try to refrain from obscuring the intent of the question. The meaning of truth being as it relates to the context of this forum. Can you tell the difference between what is true about things spiritual, and what is a lie about things spiritual?
If not, why?
If so, how?
27 Jul 14
Originally posted by josephwSince no human truly knows anything about the alleged spiritual realm, that would have to be no, we can't tell either way.
...tell the difference between the truth and a lie about the truth?
Please try to refrain from obscuring the intent of the question. The meaning of truth being as it relates to the context of this forum. Can you tell the difference between what is true about things spiritual, and what is a lie about things spiritual?
If not, why?
If so, how?
27 Jul 14
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Originally posted by RJHindsKeep in mind that his answer is based on the limited parameters of the OP, which assumes that a spiritual world exists. So he's only saying"no" for the sake of argument. It would be like asking "could you tell when a lie about planet Krypton is being made? Please refrain from obscuring the intent of the question". Any answer to that is merely for the sake of argument, like with the OP.
Since you can't tell, then why do you keep denying the creation by God?
28 Jul 14
Originally posted by sonhouseDo you speak for everyone?
Since no human truly knows anything about the alleged spiritual realm, that would have to be no, we can't tell either way.
Appearent you do since you're the only one to reply. I'll have to assume, then, that none of the other posters in this forum knows anymore than you do about things spiritual.
Very sad. Not only can you not tell what is true or not about things spiritual, but you don't even know whether there is anything spiritual.
I can only conclude that you are all lost, blind and dead to things spiritual.
The Word of God is proved true once again.
31 Jul 14
Originally posted by sonhouseI had to go back to this because I think it gets right at the heart of this forum, and is why no one seems to have enough gumption to engage in debate about the truth of spiritual things.
Since no human truly knows anything about the alleged spiritual realm, that would have to be no, we can't tell either way.
sonhouse says, "Since no human truly knows anything about the alleged spiritual realm, that would have to be no, we can't tell either way."
The only reason I can find for why you ("[those] who can't tell" ) post in this forum is to give you an outlet for your frustration at being spiritually void.
Generally speaking, it is usually the weak and insecure who find it necessary to belittle others, which many do here. Theist and atheist alike.
I think I'm about to lose all interest in posting in this forum as I can't find an honest soul here who does anything other than find personal fault with those that disagree with their position.
I'm losing faith - in you.
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31 Jul 14
Originally posted by josephw
I had to go back to this because I think it gets right at the heart of this forum, and is why no one seems to have enough gumption to engage in debate about the truth of spiritual things.
sonhouse says, [b]"Since no human truly knows anything about the alleged spiritual realm, that would have to be no, we can't tell either way."
The only reason I c ...[text shortened]... find personal fault with those that disagree with their position.
I'm losing faith - in you.[/b]
I think I'm about to lose all interest in posting in this forum as I can't find an honest soul here who does anything other than find personal fault with those that disagree with their position.
They may be hard to find because they (1) realize the impossibility of establishing truths about the spiritual by argumentation, and (2) realize even more, the invalidity of finding personal fault. So they mostly lurk quietly, to see if this situation might somehow change.
31 Jul 14
Originally posted by JS357Most of that sounds true, but I believe truth isn't hiding and can be discovered through honest debate.
I think I'm about to lose all interest in posting in this forum as I can't find an honest soul here who does anything other than find personal fault with those that disagree with their position.
They may be hard to find because they (1) realize the impossibility of establishing truths about the spiritual by argumentation, and (2) re ...[text shortened]... ding personal fault. So they mostly lurk quietly, to see if this situation might somehow change.
Just isn't much honest debate going on in this forum. Depressing.
Why lurk quietly? If someone has something to contribute to the topic of this thread, then by all means...
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31 Jul 14
Originally posted by josephwSince I believe the bible as the only truth, I simply hold it up to the word of God to see if it has any merit.
...tell the difference between the truth and a lie about the truth?
Please try to refrain from obscuring the intent of the question. The meaning of truth being as it relates to the context of this forum. Can you tell the difference between what is true about things spiritual, and what is a lie about things spiritual?
If not, why?
If so, how?
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31 Jul 14
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Originally posted by josephwI think spiritual truths occur by enlightenment to a prepared, receptive mind. I suppose this can happen via argumentation of the proper sort, mainly argumentation by people who are sincerely seeking such truths. But they say to seek out those who seek the truth, avoid those who have found it.
Most of that sounds true, but I believe truth isn't hiding and can be discovered through honest debate.
Just isn't much honest debate going on in this forum. Depressing.
Why lurk quietly? If someone has something to contribute to the topic of this thread, then by all means...
31 Jul 14
Originally posted by checkbaiterBased on that statement I ask this question; if the Bible is the only truth, then what's the point in holding up to it anything not in it to see if it has merit?
Since I believe the bible as the only truth, I simply hold it up to the word of God to see if it has any merit.
Yes, the Word of God is a filter or a lens through which we test this life's matters to see if we are living a life that brings honor and glory to God.
Do you filter science through the Word of God to see if it is true?
31 Jul 14
Originally posted by JS357"But they say to seek out those who seek the truth, avoid those who have found it."
I think spiritual truths occur by enlightenment to a prepared, receptive mind. I suppose this can happen via argumentation of the proper sort, mainly argumentation by people who are sincerely seeking such truths. But they say to seek out those who seek the truth, avoid those who have found it.
Witty, but I never found merit to that quip.
Biblically speaking, if I may be so bold, enlightenment is directly related to faith in God's Word. As a consequence of the action of belief and faith in what God has spoken of as it relates to being "enlightened", the third member of the Godhead baptizes the believer into Christ.
Biblically speaking it's the mystery, which is Christ in you.
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31 Jul 14
Originally posted by josephw"...I may be so bold..."
[b]"But they say to seek out those who seek the truth, avoid those who have found it."
Witty, but I never found merit to that quip.
Biblically speaking, if I may be so bold, enlightenment is directly related to faith in God's Word. As a consequence of the action of belief and faith in what God has spoken of as it relates to being "enlightened", the ...[text shortened]... izes the believer into Christ.
Biblically speaking it's the mystery, which is Christ in you.[/b]
I expect nothing less than such forthrightness from you. In the vein of this thread, sincerity and forthrightness go together in helping avoid ambiguity that can shield the truth.
