The trinity (capitalised or otherwise) (non biblical made up hokum anyway)
Hell and lakes of fire, brimstone, sulphur or any other apocalyptic occurrences
Being cast into said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes for eternity
Miracles (no matter how lovely or helpful e.g. water into wine)
Floods and other mass extinction events
Genealogies
Garden of Eden
Deification of men
Deification of women
Numerology claims
The entire book of Revelation
Any other doctrine, teaching or assertion
Salvation is free and for everyone. It refers to not being extinct after death. This phenomena from the eternal dimension can be experienced in the temporal plane through faith in the finished work of Christ at Calvary. In terms of “salvation” everything else is, relatively speaking, theological scenery.
@divegeester saidJesus Christ is salvation. No doctrines or teachings are required for salvation. It is the free gift of God to all people ... by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.(Romans 5:18 KJV)
The trinity (capitalised or otherwise) (non biblical made up hokum anyway)
Hell and lakes of fire, brimstone, sulphur or any other apocalyptic occurrences
Being cast into said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes for eternity
Miracles (no matter how lovely or helpful e.g. water into wine)
Floods and other mass extinction events
Genealogie ...[text shortened]... st at Calvary. In terms of “salvation” everything else is, relatively speaking, theological scenery.
@divegeester saidOpinions don't count.
The trinity (capitalised or otherwise) (non biblical made up hokum anyway)
Hell and lakes of fire, brimstone, sulphur or any other apocalyptic occurrences
Being cast into said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes for eternity
Miracles (no matter how lovely or helpful e.g. water into wine)
Floods and other mass extinction events
Genealogie ...[text shortened]... st at Calvary. In terms of “salvation” everything else is, relatively speaking, theological scenery.
Doctrine does.
Believe the truth, or believe yourself. Doesn't look like you have many other options.
@fmf saidWhen the assertions made in the OP are backed up by the scriptures I'll answer the question.
Well, the thread is about doctrine. It would be interesting to hear you answer the OP's question.
Would you please find the question asked in the OP? I'm having some difficulty locating it.
@josephw saidHere they are again:
When the assertions made in the OP are backed up by the scriptures I'll answer the question.
The trinity (capitalised or otherwise)
Hell and lakes of fire, brimstone, sulphur or any other apocalyptic occurrences
Being cast into said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes for eternity
Miracles (no matter how lovely or helpful e.g. water into wine)
Floods and other mass extinction events
Genealogies
Garden of Eden
Deification of men
Deification of women
Numerology claims
The entire book of Revelation
Belief in which of these doctrines/teachings is not required for "salvation"?
@fmf saidNo thanks.
Here they are again:
The trinity (capitalised or otherwise)
Hell and lakes of fire, brimstone, sulphur or any other apocalyptic occurrences
Being cast into said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes
Burning alive in said lakes for eternity
Miracles (no matter how lovely or helpful e.g. water into wine)
Floods and other mass extinction events
Genealogies
Garden of Eden
Dei ...[text shortened]... book of Revelation
Belief in which of these doctrines/teachings is not required for "salvation"?
Pick one, provide scriptural references to support the assertion of the OP, and then we can discuss.
@josephw saidHow pusillanimous of you.
No thanks.Pick one, provide scriptural references to support the assertion of the OP, and then we can discuss.
It is a list of topics/tenets/doctrines that arise here all the time and have done since this forum's inception.
Is it a case of no underpants or no mast? Not sure, but you seem oddly unable ~ and have been for as long as I have known you ~ to nail your underpants to a mast.
@divegeester
I read your thoughts on things pertinent and not to "salvation."
Could you give your thoughts on this?
When Romans 5:9 says " . . . we will be saved through Him from the wrath."
What does "the wrath" refer to there?
Divegeester,
I have another question I would like you to addressed as honestly as you can.
I have always perceived you as very concerned about the severity of not being saved - the baffling tragedy of it, the horrendous implications of being so unsaved.
Have you ever at any time thought that in so arguing against certain things I have presented to you, that in some cases you are working against your own concern for a more extensive divine mercy upon more people?
I mean it is I who have argued here, that at least Matt. 25:32-46 shows some people who did not know Christ being granted to enter into eternal life.
Has it ever come across your mind ? ie. "By arguing against sonship on some points I am actually shooting myself in the foot inadvertenly."