1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    18 Oct '13 06:03
    NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!

    premise: THERE IS A GOD

    What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?
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    18 Oct '13 06:34
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    [b]NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!

    premise: THERE IS A GOD

    What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?[/b]
    But first, is there such thing as the future, to God?
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    18 Oct '13 06:36
    Originally posted by JS357
    But first, is there such thing as the future, to God?
    Good question ...
    But
    Lets debate one thing at a time!!
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    18 Oct '13 06:48
    Will he intervene at some point because of this knowledge? No? Then there are no consequences.
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    18 Oct '13 07:27
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    [b]NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!

    premise: THERE IS A GOD

    What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?[/b]
    If he knows it perfectly, then there is only one future ie some sort of determinism is at play.
    If he only knows general trends, then some sort of partial determinism is the case.
    Much of the Old Testament suggests that God did not know the future.

    From a moral perspective one should question the morality of a God that creates beings that he knows will end up in hell.

    From a logical perspective one questions the possibility of a God that knows the future yet is able to act/make decisions etc. Once the future exists and you know it you are essentially a static being.
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    18 Oct '13 07:28
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Will he intervene at some point because of this knowledge? No? Then there are no consequences.
    Surely the consequences are that he cannot intervene as doing so would invalidate his knowledge?
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    18 Oct '13 07:29
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    [b]NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!

    premise: THERE IS A GOD

    What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?[/b]
    There must be multiple futures because god is observing knowing the outcome of one and knowing the outbound of another if he intervenes. We on the other hand know only one, and we don't know which it is.
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    18 Oct '13 07:44
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Surely the consequences are that he cannot intervene as doing so would invalidate his knowledge?
    I don't think that's true... is it?

    Surely he can know what would happen without him intervening, he then decides he's going to intervene and knows how the future will look after him intervening?
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    18 Oct '13 08:14
    Originally posted by divegeester
    There must be multiple futures because god is observing knowing the outcome of one and knowing the outbound of another if he intervenes. We on the other hand know only one, and we don't know which it is.
    There are multiple possible futures, but if god knows the future there is only one that will actually happen. Unless multiple timelines are allowed, of course.
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    18 Oct '13 08:24
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    [b]NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!

    premise: THERE IS A GOD

    What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?[/b]
    If there is a God worthy of belief, by definition, He knows not only the time/eternity future but also time and eternity past.
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    18 Oct '13 08:29
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Surely he can know what would happen without him intervening, he then decides he's going to intervene and knows how the future will look after him intervening?
    But then he doesn't know the future does he? He only knows possible futures. He does not know whether or not he will intervene, because if he did, it would put us back to square one (and invalidate the 'possible futures' anyway).
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    18 Oct '13 08:31
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    If there is a God worthy of belief, by definition, He knows not only the time/eternity future but also time and eternity past.
    By whose definition?
    And presumably only by your judgement of what is 'worthy of belief'. Its an odd phrase in the first place. Do you believe because you like the concept, or because there is good reason to think it is true?
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    18 Oct '13 08:321 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    [b]NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!

    premise: THERE IS A GOD

    What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?[/b]
    a known future denies free will in a single universe scenario.

    i suggest that a god that knows the future(omniscient) could still allow for free will if he knows ALL the possible futures. at any point he knows exactly what you are going to do next because anything you could possibly do will happen, albeit in different, parallel universes.
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    IDK! but I think he can rewind life
  15. Standard memberKellyJay
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    18 Oct '13 10:441 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    [b]NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!

    premise: THERE IS A GOD

    What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?[/b]
    Depends on the future.
    If it set in stone by only God that is one thing.
    If its set by only us its another.
    If its set by us with God able to nug it here and there another.
    Kelly
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