18 Oct 13
Originally posted by wolfgang59If he knows it perfectly, then there is only one future ie some sort of determinism is at play.
[b]NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!
premise: THERE IS A GOD
What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?[/b]
If he only knows general trends, then some sort of partial determinism is the case.
Much of the Old Testament suggests that God did not know the future.
From a moral perspective one should question the morality of a God that creates beings that he knows will end up in hell.
From a logical perspective one questions the possibility of a God that knows the future yet is able to act/make decisions etc. Once the future exists and you know it you are essentially a static being.
18 Oct 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadI don't think that's true... is it?
Surely the consequences are that he cannot intervene as doing so would invalidate his knowledge?
Surely he can know what would happen without him intervening, he then decides he's going to intervene and knows how the future will look after him intervening?
18 Oct 13
Originally posted by Great King RatBut then he doesn't know the future does he? He only knows possible futures. He does not know whether or not he will intervene, because if he did, it would put us back to square one (and invalidate the 'possible futures' anyway).
Surely he can know what would happen without him intervening, he then decides he's going to intervene and knows how the future will look after him intervening?
18 Oct 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyBy whose definition?
If there is a God worthy of belief, by definition, He knows not only the time/eternity future but also time and eternity past.
And presumably only by your judgement of what is 'worthy of belief'. Its an odd phrase in the first place. Do you believe because you like the concept, or because there is good reason to think it is true?
18 Oct 13
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Originally posted by wolfgang59a known future denies free will in a single universe scenario.
[b]NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!
premise: THERE IS A GOD
What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?[/b]
i suggest that a god that knows the future(omniscient) could still allow for free will if he knows ALL the possible futures. at any point he knows exactly what you are going to do next because anything you could possibly do will happen, albeit in different, parallel universes.
18 Oct 13
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Originally posted by wolfgang59Depends on the future.
[b]NOT a debate about the existence of god(s)!
premise: THERE IS A GOD
What are the consequences of a god that knows the future?[/b]
If it set in stone by only God that is one thing.
If its set by only us its another.
If its set by us with God able to nug it here and there another.
Kelly