Does proof of God smack of coercion?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
If it wasn't a conscious decision then it must have been unconscious

@fmf said
It wasn't a decision at all.

@fmf said
If you think so, so be it.

@pettytalk said
That's not an answer...it's an excuse not to answer. The judge orders the witness to answer the pertinent question, and if you still refuse you are in contempt, and ordered to pay a stiff fine. You are an example of a stiff-necked person.

@pettytalk said
Besides, your refusal makes you a number 1 hypocrite, since you persecute others to answer you, even when they have already.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Ah, it was an unconscious realization (akin to the one had by Gwyneth Paltrow).

We need to distinguish 2 terms, coercion and ultimatum.

In the following passage, was Pharaoh, initially, coerced or given an ultimatum when politely asked to let the people go? Pharaoh was also provided with a reason and justification as to why God wanted his "people" released. Here let me insert that God is the champion of the oppressed, and anyone being oppressed is in an unjustified bondage, therefore God looks upon them as being his, in particular. Although this same God revealed that we are all his children. That's the picture God paints through divine revelation, believe it or not.

Then the Lord said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh, and tell him, Thus saith the Lord God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

2 For if thou refuse to let them go, and wilt hold them still,

3 Behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain.

4 And the Lord shall sever between the cattle of Israel and the cattle of Egypt: and there shall nothing die of all that is the children's of Israel.

5 And the Lord appointed a set time, saying, To morrow the Lord shall do this thing in the land.

@fmf said
What "refusal"?

@pettytalk said
Your initial refusal, with the excuse to go for the person, and not the ball.

Why the change of mind? You could have given the reply without first committing the foul for which you received the yellow card. You are two-timing, in replying to the Duke.

@fmf said
No. I was conscious that a process was occurring and I finally realized that my faith was gone.

@pettytalk said
How did you acquire the faith, in the first place? Were you coerced? And who and what did the coercing to make you have this initial faith? Maybe you were persuaded, and not coerced?

@pettytalk said
Once you are willing to provide all the details, so that we can also assess how good of a Christian you where then, we can ask a follow up question to the opposite, the loss of faith under the use of the same circumstances, the parameters and weapons used for the initial gain of your faith.

@fmf said
Neither my loss of faith [nor the way I talk about it] was or is "contrived". But if Ghost of a Duke thinks it sounds like it is, I don't mind.

@fmf said
No. I was conscious that a process was occurring and I finally realized that my faith was gone.

@pettytalk said
We need to distinguish 2 terms, coercion and ultimatum.

In the following passage, was Pharaoh, initially, coerced or given an ultimatum when politely asked to let the people go?