Dschihad versus crusades

Originally posted by ahosyney
Do you understand trinity?

Originally posted by ahosyney
Do you understand trinity?

Some say, this is one of the most stupid inventions. I would say, this is one of the most extraordinary things existing.

Originally posted by ahosyney
I did ask a question before and you keep ignoring it:

I will not talk with you again until you answer it. If you didn't answer it so go talk to yourself about you sick thoughts:

If Jesus the same GOD in the old Testament or not?

If yes then he ordered a lot of killing.

If not then I don't need to talk with you anymore

Jesus is part of the Trinity, yes.

In the Old Testament, God punnished the people for their sin. It was God's way of implementing His moral law. Remember God is God and this is His part of his justice to deal with sin.

Mohammad on the other hand was an ordinary man. The Hadith records the names of at least 27 individuals who were murdered on Muhammad's orders.

Muhammad arranged for practically all the Jews living in Arabia to either be killed or exiled from their homes and country. After murdering individual Jews, Muhammad expelled two tribes from Medina. When they refused Muhammad’s men starved them into submission. After several weeks they surrendered and were expelled. All their belongings and land were confiscated and distributed among Muhammad's supporters. The Jews of Banu Nadir were slaughtered by the Muslims two years later in their new homes.

In AD 626 when Muhammad's followers attacked the tribe of Banu-L-Mustaliq, the Muslims slaughtered many tribesmen and looted thousands of their camels and sheep. They also kidnapped some of their 'excellent women'.

Then Mohammad's followers subjected the captive women to mass gang rape. The Hadith records how some of the Muslims went to Muhammad with a problem.

Abu Sa'id Al-Khadri remembered that they questioned Muhammad on whether it was acceptable to practice sexual intercourse with the captive women by observing 'Azl.

Muhammad's revelations had already sanctioned the rape of captive women, "those whom your right hand possesses" Surah 4:24. On this occasion the only concern seemed to be whether the victim's ransom value would be diminished or lost if they were returned pregnant to their husbands. Muhammad effectively told his companions to go ahead and rape the captive women without worrying about whether or not they would get pregnant.

In AD 627 the Meccans mobilised a huge army of 10,000 men to end the threat of traitors who were disturbing their commerce. The battle of the Ditch around Medina prevented the enemy cavalry from being effectively deployed. As the Meccans withdrew, Muhammad proceeded to attack the last Jewish tribe in Medina, the Banu Qurayzah.

Muhammad ordered the men to convert to Islam or face death. When they refused, up to 900 were decapitated at the ditch, in front of their wives and children. The widows were subsequently raped and sold into slavery.

Muhammad chose one Raihana Bint Amr as his concubine. Despite this poor woman having witnessed both her father and husband slaughtered before her eyes only hours before, Muhammad forced himself on her that night.

Muhammad taught: "Captive girls in war were made lawful for the soldiers for copulation"

Mishkat II, page 440.

Jesus on the other hand taught that if you look at a woman lustfully, you have already committed adultery with her.

A Christian is a follower of Christ , meaning we obey what
Christ said.

A Muslim on the other hand believes Mohammad is the last true prophet of God, and his words come from God.

I think it should be very straightforward to see who the false prophet was.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you remember what Jesus did in the temple?

Sometimes you have to be rude to be nice. Sometimes the peace needs to be disturbed if you want to snatch someone from the flames of hell.

Wow. You don't know Jesus at all.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Jesus is part of the Trinity, yes.

In the Old Testament, God punnished the people for their sin. It was God's way of implementing His moral law. Remember God is God and this is His part of his justice to deal with sin.

Mohammad on the other hand was an ordinary man. The Hadith records the names of at least 27 individuals who were murdered on Muhamm ...[text shortened]... .

I think it should be very straightforward to see who the false prophet was.

Do you think God's way of implementing his moral law on Onan was justified?

Originally posted by louisXIV
Wow, this is quite shocking for me. So after all, Mohammed lived quite a bad life. Mohammed raped, killed, robbed. Then what is sin in Islam if Mohammed is the ultimate example to be followed?

Muhammad had lived 20 years in marriage with his first wife Khadija. But after her death and the Hiijra to Medina, Muhammad married at least another fifteen wives. Many of these were widows or divorcees. One of Muhammad's wives, Ayesha was six years old when she was given in marriage to him, and nine years old when he consummated the marriage according to the Hadith.

In AD 628 Mary The Copt, a Christian slave, was given to Muhammad by the governor of Egypt, Elmokaukas. The Hadith records that the wives of Muhammad were jealous when Mohammad had no dealings with them for a full month, living with Mary alone.

Although Mary received a "revelation" rebuking the jealousy of his wives, he also put into the Quaran a verse prohibiting his wives from re-marrying after his death.

When Muhammad married his daughter-in-law, Zainab, many of the community were scandalised. Zainab was the only wife of Zaid, Muhammad's adopted son. One day when Mohammad came to Zaid's house, he noticed the youthful beauty of his daughter-in-law's scantly clad body. The Hadith records how Muhammad exclaimed: "Praise be Allah, who changes men's hearts!" When Zianab reported the incident to Ziad, he refused to offer to divorce his wife and give her to him. After initially refusing this offer, Muhammad received a "revelation" where Allah, supposedly instructed him to marry his daughter-in-law, Zainab.

Originally posted by louisXIV
I'd like to have revelations of this kind, too...

Would you, now?

Originally posted by louisXIV
Did you make a spelling mistake? Otherwise, your sentence doesn't make very much sense...

No spelling mistakes but maybe it needs a comma after you.

Originally posted by Palynka
Would you, now?

Originally posted by Palynka
Would you, now?

Certainly not, if this would include raping and killing others...

Originally posted by louisXIV
Pouh, kind of interesting type of revelation. I'd like to have revelations of this kind, too...

That's the problem if you have one guy having the entire revelation of a holy book by himself. Whenever you want to do something you can claim you got a revelation, and then add it to your holy book.

The entire Qu'ran was Mohammad's masterpiece.

Originally posted by louisXIV
Originally posted by Palynka
[b]Would you, now?

Certainly not, if this would include raping and killing others...[/b]

Thought so. Don't know why you said otherwise.

Originally posted by dj2becker
That's the problem if you have one guy having the entire revelation of a holy book by himself. Whenever you want to do something you can claim you got a revelation, and then add it to your holy book.

The entire Qu'ran was Mohammad's masterpiece.

Originally posted by dj2becker
That's the problem if you have one guy having the entire revelation of a holy book by himself. Whenever you want to do something you can claim you got a revelation, and then add it to your holy book.

The entire Qu'ran was Mohammad's masterpiece.

Not completely, though... He (ab)used the Bible and added some fary tales, too...