Empathy and Morality

The reason that quotations are used is because it is inherently educational to be exposed to great minds and important thinkers. No one really cares what FMF or Philokalia says in a forum, so what is the use of trying to keep track of what these nobodies on the internet think?

I think it is useful to quote important men and will continue to do so.

@fmf said
And there is the word "humanitarianism". You did use it, see? I cannot fathom what benefit you thought you were going to gain from lying about it.

@philokalia said
There is no need for a specific example when such an idea is generally familiar.

@fmf said
The texts you have copy-pasted don't include the word "dehumanize" or any of its derivatives.

I am asking you about this thing that you said: "The first person who invokes humanity & humanitarianism is often the first person to dehumanize someone else."

If, somehow, you are saying that Carl Schmitt has prompted you to say what you said, fine, whatever, but I am asking you ...[text shortened]... h a ridiculous catch-all kind of way, no amount of Appeal to Authority is going to make sense of it,

1. To deprive of human qualities such as individuality, compassion, or civility: slaves who had been dehumanized by their abysmal condition.

@philokalia said
LOL, this is getting sad & frustrating.

Do I have to bring up the full quote again?

Invoking humanity is the main idea. Not humanitarianism, though humanitarianism is mentioned once (versus twice) in the large block of text.

It's OK -- invoke humanity is a less common turn of phrase. You can latch on to the lower, more common one if you like.

@fmf said
If you don't want to take the challenge, feel free not to.

I am simply looking for some substantiation of your use of the word "dehumanization".

But, if it turns out that you ALSO believe that people who oppose those who invoke humanitarianism are prone to dehumanizing them, then why didn't you say so alongside the supposed dehumanization that you DID mention?

@fmf said
Why did you feel the need to lie about not using the word "humanitarianism"?

People who begin to fight on behalf of "humanity" or any other nebulous value paint their opposition as cruel on a very fundamental level, and therefore worthy of cruelty, as it is actually very rare to meet a true pacifist.

The first person who invokes humanity & humanitarianism is often the first person to dehumanize someone else.

@philokalia said
Where's the problem?

@fmf said
I think there is a need because you seem to be using the word "dehumanization" in such ridiculously vague and catch-all kind of way, without some examples, it seems to amount to little more than pretentious waffle.

@philokalia said
I recollected it, though my primary turn of phrase was invoked humanity.

I still insist that invoking humanity and humanitarianism are actually different things.

We went through that earlier.

But now you are actually lying about what I am saying by, geez, reading lies into what I write.

It's pretty dishonest, FMF.

@fmf said
So, an example of the "dehumanization" you are referring to here: "The first person who invokes humanity & humanitarianism is often the first person to dehumanize someone else" has something to do with "slaves who had been dehumanized by their abysmal condition"?

@fmf said
You said you hadn't used the word "humanitarianism". But you had. The lie was yours not mine.

@philokalia said
Correct, the two ideas obviously have nothing to do with each other.

Do you actually think it is the case that a person can only be dehumanized through one way?

You got to stop crossing wires.

I guess I can see why you need more narrow words if your brain just pops out of context because you are too excited for another comparison.

@philokalia said
EDIT: I refer you back to this statement:

https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/empathy-and-morality.186411/page-7#post_4248672

@fmf said
Just give some concrete examples instead of dancing around evasively. All you seem to have offered is some sort of broad brush condemnation of people who are oriented towards humanitarianism.