Eternal punishment

Originally posted by joe beyser
Do you think God wants us to worship him because of fear? Kristy Lane sang a tune and part of it went "youve got the power to save me and it makes me love you so much". Is that true love or what. In other words I love you for what I can get from you. Is worship the same?

no, for it was the very same satanic accusation levelled against one of Gods ancient servants, in the book of Job, the very same accusation that you have stressed, that individuals only serve god for what they can get out of it.

Job chapter 2.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no, for it was the very same satanic accusation levelled against one of Gods ancient servants, in the book of Job, the very same accusation that you have stressed, that individuals only serve god for what they can get out of it.

Job chapter 2.

How about the fear part.

Originally posted by joe beyser
How about the fear part.

there is surely a difference between a healthy respect as one would have for ones parents say, and a morbid fear that one would have if the Nazis kicked in your door in the early hours of the morning?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there is surely a difference between a healthy respect as one would have for ones parents say, and a morbid fear that one would have if the Nazis kicked in your door in the early hours of the morning?

I know your viewpoint on hell, but do you think others worship out of fear of something worse than the Nazis kicking in the door, that being burning forever?

Originally posted by joe beyser
I know your viewpoint on hell, but do you think others worship out of fear of something worse than the Nazis kicking in the door, that being burning forever?

its hard to say my friend, for i have never believed it myself, even before i was a Christian, but i do know that it terrorises some people, but would you not agree that fear is a very poor motivational force.

Originally posted by joe beyser
Do you think God wants us to worship him because of fear? Kristy Lane sang a tune and part of it went "youve got the power to save me and it makes me love you so much". Is that true love or what. In other words I love you for what I can get from you. Is worship the same?

I see worship as a Bee is attracted to honey. True worship you would think would be complete surrender.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its hard to say my friend, for i have never believed it myself, even before i was a Christian, but i do know that it terrorises some people, but would you not agree that fear is a very poor motivational force.

So you still don't believe it? Then how are you a Christian?

Originally posted by daniel58
So you still don't believe it? Then how are you a Christian?

because Christ never taught it!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
because Christ never taught it!

And you never read the Bible.

Originally posted by daniel58
And you never read the Bible.

yes i read it almost every day, have done for the past fifteen years.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes i read it almost every day, have done for the past fifteen years.

Then you must've missed the sermon on the mount.

Originally posted by daniel58
Then you must've missed the sermon on the mount.

nope, its my favourite portion of scripture, long with the psalms and the book of acts.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
nope, its my favourite portion of scripture, long with the psalms and the book of acts.

Then how come you say Christ didn't teach?

Originally posted by daniel58
Then how come you say Christ didn't teach?

which particular scripture are you referring to, post it and we can have a look at it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
which particular scripture are you referring to, post it and we can have a look at it.

Matthew, Chapters 5,6 and 7.