13 May 09
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Originally posted by black beetlemmm, you are an intellectual beetle, i but a peasant! never the less, what is interesting about what you say is this, that the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, its fruit, was desirable to look upon! now the Hebrew translation of this statement, 'desirable to look upon', literally means, 'desirable for imparting knowledge', therefore the satanic appeal, was a direct appeal to the intellect, and a perfect intellect at that! therefore i am quite unsure as to whether this reconciliation that you mention, to a mind-only nature, would be possible while in a state of physical imperfection, for there would always be a 'warring between the two', the physical and the intellectual, our minds would be saying, don't drink any more of that skoosh! its not good for you, but our bodies would be saying, ah, look how it numbs the pain!
Ah but this is merely theology🙂
It seems to me that "palace" / "Paradise" was a status of Existence "with god". Them there entities at that status they were "with god" too, and also they had the chance to taste everything but Life as we perceive it by means of collapsing the wavefunction through their own birth! The "sin" is just Life itself as we u son why Jesus was declaring time and time again that "he was the Way" I reckon😵
Paul makes reference to it, this warring, thus if we are to achieve intellectual perfection, it would, i reckon, of necessity that we also achieve physical perfection, which is why, i tried, also in the science forum to seek 'data', for my theory, that, given the correct circumstances, 'the perfect environment', then our bodies would be able to perpetuate themselves through cellular regeneration, indefinitely, like when we cut ourselves and it heals up, but no one could confirm this, so i just kept it to myself. 😉
13 May 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAh the Tree; this miserable atheist black beetle prefers to see it Tree as the Jacob's Ladder -a voluminous Tree of Life-, perfect at its countless manifestations and quite "desirable to look upon". Desirable, and at the same time Kliffothic too. So desirable in fact, that it caused to the Human the desire to collapse the wavefunction in order to become able to taste Life -and thus condemning on the spot the Human to become separated from her/ his divine source. But this is just my view from my tree🙂
mmm, you are an intellectual beetle, i but a peasant! never the less, what is interesting about what you say is this, that the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, its fruit, was desirable to look upon! now the Hebrew translation of this statement, 'desirable to look upon', literally means, 'desirable for imparting knowledge', therefore the satan ...[text shortened]... elves and it heals up, but no one could confirm this, so i just kept it to myself. 😉
How nice to share our thoughts😵
13 May 09
Originally posted by black beetleyes beetle it is very refreshing to share some thoughts without the usual aggravation that often accompanies posts in the spirituality forum, what is this Jacobs ladder and what does it mean to you? also Kliffothic, i never heard before, tried to google it but all i got is some dead boring metal band ( i hope your not a member of them), i mean, metal and magic, dragons and pentangles, its not entirely original is it? 🙂
Ah the Tree; this miserable atheist black beetle prefers to see it Tree as the Jacob's Ladder -a voluminous Tree of Life-, perfect at its countless manifestations and quite "desirable to look upon". Desirable, and at the same time Kliffothic too. So desirable in fact, that it caused to the Human the desire to collapse the wavefunction in order to become ...[text shortened]... s divine source. But this is just my view from my tree🙂
How nice to share our thoughts😵
13 May 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadit was a prohibition that signified Gods prerogative to set standards, it could have been anything, a line drawn in the sand, please do not step over that line, anything.
So why did God tell him not to eat the apple (fruit /whatever) ?
13 May 09
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Originally posted by no1marauderLol, its your perceptions and your monster! for example , it can be construed that it was a loving arrangement, for it gave Adam, an opportunity to demonstrate appreciation for all that God had given him, a beautiful home, a perfect wife, a purposeful existence, satisfying work, the prospect of living forever etc etc etc. hardly reflective of your monster God, is it?
How childish of your Monster God.
13 May 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSure, do what I tell you or I'll kill you is always the basis of a loving relationship. Ask OJ.
Lol, its your perceptions and your monster! for example , it can be construed that it was a loving arrangement, for it gave Adam, an opportunity to demonstrate appreciation for all that God had given him, a beautiful home, a perfect wife, a purposeful existence, satisfying work, the prospect of living forever etc etc etc. hardly reflective of your monster God, is it?
OT God is surely a monster; ask the Midianites (that's rhetorical of course).
13 May 09
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Originally posted by no1marauderyes, don't play on the highway, you will get killed! is that prohibition unloving, i think not, as for the Midianites, war is war, they should have known better than mess with the Most high, for they were given enough chances! your perceptions number one! 😉
Sure, do what I tell you or I'll kill you is always the basis of a loving relationship. Ask OJ.
OT God is surely a monster; ask the Midianites (that's rhetorical of course).
14 May 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDon't play in the highway or I'll run you over is more like it. Your Monster God at first threatened and then carried out a number of specific punishments (death, pain in childbirth, crop failures, etc.). I guess "war is war", so it was alright for Hitler, too.
yes, don't play on the highway, you will get killed! is that prohibition unloving, i think not, as for the Midianites, war is war, they should have known better than mess with the Most high, for they were given enough chances! your perceptions number one! 😉
You're a sick [expletive deleted].
14 May 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieJacob’s Ladder is a voluminous Otz Chiim/ Tree of Life; it is the symbol of every possible known and unknown microcosmic and macrocosmic world, and it also has a mirror image. Nothing to do with Heavy Metal😵
yes beetle it is very refreshing to share some thoughts without the usual aggravation that often accompanies posts in the spirituality forum, what is this Jacobs ladder and what does it mean to you? also Kliffothic, i never heard before, tried to google it but all i got is some dead boring metal band ( i hope your not a member of them), i mean, metal and magic, dragons and pentangles, its not entirely original is it? 🙂
14 May 09
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Originally posted by black beetlemm, it seems rather mystical Beetle, is it possible to climb this ladder? and if so, how is it done, also what is the hope that one will find when one gets to the top, or is it impossible to actually reach the top by virtue of infinity? 🙂
Jacob’s Ladder is a voluminous Otz Chiim/ Tree of Life; it is the symbol of every possible known and unknown microcosmic and macrocosmic world, and it also has a mirror image. Nothing to do with Heavy Metal😵
14 May 09
Originally posted by no1marauderwhat can i say number one, if that's how you perceive it then that's how you perceive it. i realize i am not you and you are not me 🙂
Don't play in the highway or I'll run you over is more like it. Your Monster God at first threatened and then carried out a number of specific punishments (death, pain in childbirth, crop failures, etc.). I guess "war is war", so it was alright for Hitler, too.
You're a sick [expletive deleted].
14 May 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAh Rabbie my feer, these are questions that one has to ponder and find out on his own; this is the most complicated symbol for you have to establish its properties on your own without contradictions at every level of your interpretation, and it is Huge; this is the reason why one has to start his meditation on a "simple" Otz Chiim first. Of course this complicated method is the equivalent of the non-complicated zennist mind-only approach, and this is the reason why one has to answer your questions as following:
mm, it seems rather mystical Beetle, is it possible to climb this ladder? and if so, how is it done, also what is the hope that one will find when one gets to the top, or is it impossible to actually reach the top by virtue of infinity? 🙂
-- "Mystical is just the product of your enlightenment for you are solely able to pass it directly from mind to mind, and enlightenment is solely a specific mental mode that helps you to rise above dualism.
This Ladder is not a ladder but you may ascend and decend it allright. Whilst you use the Ladder there is nothing you can use. There is no Top and Bottom for the Ladder is itself everything Known and Unknown. You can reach everything you want to there, but when you reach it there 's nothing different for you here. There 's no place out of your mind. Hell and Paradise are solely parts of your mind. And the nature of your mind is the Void"
Oh well it seems to me that the plexus of the miscellaneous religions is merely a product of QBLH and Eastern esoteric ideas, which they all were misinterprated by the theologists at their struggle to understand (and probably control the Human) 😵
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis response (the highway part), in my opinion, fails to capture a key point
yes, don't play on the highway, you will get killed! is that prohibition unloving, i think not, as for the Midianites, war is war, they should have known better than mess with the Most high, for they were given enough chances! your perceptions number one! 😉
The highway was created to be used by those who shouldn't play on it.
From what I can see, your god made this tree only to set Adam & Eve up for a fall.
