Originally posted by Doward
The creation story were a myth...
Jesus was not born of virgin birth...
Noah never built an ark or even existed...
Jesus didn't walk on water...
None of the stories were true, following the teachings of Christ would still be a worthwhile endeavour.
As an atheist my default position is that most, if not all, the stories in the bible are not true
so I don't need the 'even if' in your postulate ;-) anyhow, to answer your post....
I don't agree with your proposition.
The supposed reason for following the 'teachings of Christ' is that they are of divine origin.
They are the word of god and were devised by a vastly superior being who knows better than
we ever will and so his teachings should be blindly followed.
If your saying that Jesus isn't the son of god and his teachings are not divine, then they were
created by men, who are fallible.
If these men (and I say men not people because it was very much MEN coming up with the
scriptures, women are very second class citizens) could come up with a set of guiding principles
and morals for their time why can't we devise some for ours?
Why would we think that the people 2000 yrs or more ago were more moral or better at devising
moral systems than we are?
At the very least we can analyse the morals they devised and update them to take into account
the modern world and scientific knowledge they did not have access to.
If we devise morals for ourselves (as a society) then we have an understanding of why we have
and want these morals. If you simply follow the word of someone who lived 2000 yrs ago in a
different age, you will find yourself following morals that are very much outdated, and obsolete.
Now if you're taking the bible as the teachings of Christ then I would point out that it teaches many
things that are not compatible with modern society and moral values, many of which are not practised
or preached by most denominations of Christianity. The secular morals of society have overridden
the ones espoused in the bible, usually kicking and screaming and centuries late, but nevertheless
many of what you would consider Christian morals are in fact secular ones that have over-ridden the
immorality of the bible.
For a more in-depth discussion of why it is better to have a secular moral system I would recommend
watching this video (quality isn't great but its watchable)
But basically it comes down to this.
If you 'own' your moral values, if you had a hand in creating them (as part of a society, morals don't
exist in a vacuum, if you were the only person in existence there would be no need for morals) and
it turns out that some part of your moral code doesn't in actual practice work. Then you can through
reasoned argument and debate with other members of your society, change those morals to make them
If your morals are imposed from outside your society (in this case by some dead bloke who lived 2000
years ago) and you find out that some part of your moral code doesn't work very well...
Then you are stuck, you can't argue with the bloke who has been dead for 2000 yrs, you either have to
lump it, and live with bad morals, or give up and invent your own.
Now this isn't to say that the bible (or any other religious document) doesn't have some good stuff in it,
they didn't get everything wrong and there is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater so to speak.
We have thousands of years of humans trying to get along with each other and work out how best to run
society, and allot of that work was done by religious thinkers. But those moral positions need analysed and
the reasons for having them explored and tested before using them. They can't just be taken on faith.