Evolution Cruncher

Originally posted by dale21
ok maybe i wasnt clear enuf. the universe is in such an order that these missions can be planned

And it lacks such an order so that entropy can be reduced.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Chemistry does NOT explain the formation of life from non-life, there is no explanation for this. Thus there is not even a foundation for evolution to be built on.

Yes it does.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Yes it does.

Beyond a shadow of a doubt?

How does it do this?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Beyond a shadow of a doubt?

How does it do this?

Brownian Motion

Originally posted by frogstomp
Brownian Motion

Brownian Motion creates life from non-life! Wow! Have you published this in the newspapers yet?!! The World needs to hear about your discovery!!!!

Btw: Even if you did do this, you are using intelligence are you not?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Beyond a shadow of a doubt?

How does it do this?

I didn't say beyond a shadow of a doubt. I said it explains it, not that there aren't other possible explanations.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I didn't say beyond a shadow of a doubt. I said it explains it, not that there aren't other possible explanations.

What do you mean by "explain"? Basically anything can be used to explain anything. The Bible explains Creation.

Originally posted by dj2becker
What do you mean by "explain"? Basically anything can be used to explain anything. The Bible explains Creation.

I mean that there is no reason to believe the natural laws of chemistry are insufficient to generate life. Perfectly reasonable if rough models for how this might occur have been proposed.

What do you mean by "explain"? You brought the word up first - that is, you used it in the post I was responding to.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I mean that there is no reason to believe the natural laws of chemistry are insufficient to generate life. Perfectly reasonable if rough models for how this might occur have been proposed.

What do you mean by "explain"? You brought the word up first - that is, you used it in the post I was responding to.

By "explain" I mean: "to justify".

I can't see how the laws of nature justify the creation of life from non-life without intelligent intervention.

Maybe you would care to explain how this is possible?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Brownian Motion creates life from non-life! Wow! Have you published this in the newspapers yet?!! The World needs to hear about your discovery!!!!

Btw: Even if you did do this, you are using intelligence are you not?

Btw: Even if you did do this, you are using intelligence are you not?

You might want to google around and read up on what Brownian Motion is. This last statement doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Brownian Motion creates life from non-life! Wow! Have you published this in the newspapers yet?!! The World needs to hear about your discovery!!!!

Btw: Even if you did do this, you are using intelligence are you not?

Brownian Motion exists and there is PROOF that it does and its all the mechanism thats needed. period.
I don't create it Heat does. If you werem't so devoid of knowlege of chemistry you would have known it's a fact and not bothered making that asinine comment.

Originally posted by dj2becker
By "explain" I mean: "to justify".

I can't see how the laws of nature justify the creation of life from non-life without intelligent intervention.

Maybe you would care to explain how this is possible?

To me, "justify" implies some sort of moral "okayness". For example, if I were to justify stealing something, I'd be giving reasons why it was morally ok for me to steal it. I don't know how justification is an appropriate word for this discussion. Can you explain further?

Originally posted by frogstomp
Brownian Motion exists and there is PROOF that it does and its all the mechanism thats needed. period.
I don't create it Heat does. If you werem't so devoid of knowlege of chemistry you would have known it's a fact and not bothered making that asinine comment.

If Brownian motion created life then why can it not be used to create life at present?

Originally posted by dj2becker
If Brownian motion created life then why can it not be used to create life at present?

First : nobody has a big enough test tube.
Second: nobody has enough time .
The random walk motion of small particles suspended in a fluid due to bombardment by molecules obeying a Maxwellian velocity distribution.. ....excerpt from the following site where you can get a more rigorous treatment of it :

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/BrownianMotion.html

Chemical reactions in a system involve the distribution of all possible outcomes : for instance if you have 4 possible compounds that can be formed by a given set of factors, the probable distribution will not be all of one but will be a mix of all four based on the probability of each.
Which is why you're large number probability calculations are not correct. They simply ignore reality.

edit : if that ain't good enough for you then the probability of you not understanding is greater than the large numberthe creationists post

Originally posted by frogstomp
First : nobody has a big enough test tube.
Second: nobody has enough time .
The random walk motion of small particles suspended in a fluid due to bombardment by molecules obeying a Maxwellian velocity distribution.. ....excerpt from ...[text shortened]... anding is greater than the large numberthe creationists post

So basically you are saying that there is no way to test whether what you are saying is true.

Science is based on observations. So your little theory is not sceintific.