Evolution

Originally posted by karoly aczel
I do...(chaos on this level-harmony and balance on higher ones🙂 )

As I understand chaos it is both the state of utter confusion and
unpredictablity and you think you can have that and God who is
in control of all things? How do you have both of those, because as
near as I can tell, God is never out of control, even when sin entered
it wasn't out of His control He dealt with it fully and will in the end
get what He desires out of His creation.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
As I understand chaos it is both the state of utter confusion and
unpredictablity and you think you can have that and God who is
in control of all things? How do you have both of those, because as
near as I can tell, God is never out of control, even when sin entered
it wasn't out of His control He dealt with it fully and will in the end
get what He desires out of His creation.
Kelly

God does not have any controll over anything. Do you want examples?

Originally posted by KellyJay
As I understand chaos it is both the state of utter confusion and
unpredictablity and you think you can have that and God who is
in control of all things? How do you have both of those, because as
near as I can tell, God is never out of control, even when sin entered
it wasn't out of His control He dealt with it fully and will in the end
get what He desires out of His creation.
Kelly

Depends upon the level,darling...(edit:btw I know you are male)

Originally posted by josephw
Evolution began somewhere in time.
At it's beginning the elements for life began to organise.
The conditions for the organisation of those elements into life had to be, logically speaking in my opinion, exact. You may not agree.
Why, then, is nature in a state of violent upheaval?

What I'm attempting to do is to juxtapose two concepts. The one being, g of life forms with the conflict that exists in nature, and especially between man and man.

Why do you believe that the idea of evolution carries with it the idea that life should be in some sort of harmonious balance?

Natural selection is based on the idea that life is a never-ending competition where various species (actually the individuals making up each species) are continually battling with other species and geo-physical forces to survive long enough to successfully reproduce. Nature cannot be anything else but a state of endless upheaval.

Even under a creationist model, nature is still made up of a myriad of species that must prey on other species, and avoid predation in order to survive.


I guess this does create a certain harmony -- if the hawks catch all the mice, the mice become extinct. If the all the mice evade the hawks, the hawk becomes extinct. Usually, some sort of equilibrium emerges where the hawks are generally good enough to catch the weaker mice, and the mice are generally good enough to evade the weaker hawks.

Originally posted by josephw
OK. Let's just say, for the sake of discussion, that once upon a time trillions of years ago, aside from picturing God creating matter, all physical matter was concentrated in one area and due to the forces and nature of that matter it exploded and the result was what presently exists.

Now I realise I could have worded it differently, but I'm leading int ...[text shortened]... the balance between opposing forces.

It seems only logical to me. Is what I mean clear?

Evolution is not harmonious, it is a constant struggle for survivial; stronger elements succeed to the detriment less usable attributes, the survival of the fittest. Mutations get built up over time, and through their usefullness these traits get selected for, at the expense of those that are less useful. Conflict is at the heart of evolution, not harmony.

It is also important not to confuse evolution with abiogenesis, which is a different process entirely.

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