Originally posted by lauseyPlease see my post in reply to Proper Knob.Thanks.
It is an easy way to set up straw man arguments. Mix up "atheism", "evolution", "abiogenesis", "big bang theory" etc. All of which are completely independent from each other.
I am aware that these issues e.g. atheism,evolution,big bang theory abiogenesis are different issues and I do not want to mix them.
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoI think you should read about 'theistic evolution'.
Nothing new. I simply meant that the theory of Evolution as of today does not admit existence of any prime cause/intelligent design/God.Hence the adjective" atheistic" to the word Evolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonYes,I regret very much for the lack of clarity in my post which was typed out in a hurry.Yes,it is true that the adaptive characteristics get passed on. I used the word evolution without a capital E. Evolution means a process,but I used it loosely for the adapted characteristics.
“,,,and hence the more successful automatic evolution is passed on to successive generations ,,,”
what does that mean? This is NOT our position. Nobody who understands evolution would say this so therefore you don't understand it. It is not “evolution” that is passed on to successive generations but adaptive characteristics.
You post is muddled throughout.
Now that I have recanted like Good Old Galileo did before the Papacy,will the new age papacy of Science ( with Dawkins as the new Pope) please explain what scientific evidence exists for the adaptive characteristic of two hemisphere human brain ?
Originally posted by PalynkaSo nobody disagrees, therefore we all believe in evolution.
Evolution:
1. There is a correlation between the genetic code of parents and offspring.
2. Some parents have more offspring than others
Therefore:
3. The characteristics of the genetic code of the parents who have more offspring will be more prevalent in the next generation relative to those who have less offspring.
Who disagrees?
Am I right or am I right?
Originally posted by lauseyYeah, I can see them now praying at their churches - the First Baptist Church of the Automobile, the Reformed Church of TVology, and Our Lady of the Microprocessor ...
Actually, I think galveston75 is probably right. I have seen cars constructed on TV, as well as computers, etc, but how did they actually make it [b]work?
I think these manufacturers had faith. They must have prayed at the last moment to give their products "life".[/b]
Originally posted by Proper KnobI did read that web page.An excellent summary of "Theistic Evolution" for which I am most thankful.I will,by and by, go the hyper-links and look up the materials and various arguments. The summary of Hindu thoughts on Evolution was also error free and quite useful.
I think you should read about 'theistic evolution'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution
Originally posted by PalynkaPlease don't assume silence is agreement. The reason I haven't replied is that I don't think it is worth while to try to come up with a simple bare-bones layperson's statement of evolution, in the midst of a disagreement that is drawn along the lines of religious faith.
So nobody disagrees, therefore we all believe in evolution.
Am I right or am I right?
Originally posted by amannionYou don't like it, but its better evidence against evolution than any link you
Yeah, nice one.
Next you'll show me a link with the 'scientific' evidence for gods.
atheist have given me for the support for evolution, which I still
believes does not occur. Its only a word that includes adaptation,
mutation, etc. to make it seem like important knowledge, when in
reality, it is only science fiction.
Originally posted by JS357Sorry, does that mean you disagree?
Please don't assume silence is agreement. The reason I haven't replied is that I don't think it is worth while to try to come up with a simple bare-bones layperson's statement of evolution, in the midst of a disagreement that is drawn along the lines of religious faith.
The premises are pretty much unassailable and the conclusion follows logically. Since I don't think you are a total idiot yet, I'll for now assume your little quip still isn't disagreement but you felt like you needed to say something to reassure yourself.
Originally posted by RJHindsIt isn't an atheist's job to support evolution. Scientific evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that many theists do too.
You don't like it, but its better evidence against evolution than any link you
atheist have given me for the support for evolution, which I still
believes does not occur. Its only a word that includes adaptation,
mutation, etc. to make it seem like important knowledge, when in
reality, it is only science fiction.
The link you have provided is pseudo-science. Just cherry picking from dubious sources along with their own wild speculation. It is far from scientific writing.
Originally posted by rvsakhadeo“...please explain what scientific evidence exists for the adaptive characteristic of two hemisphere human brain ? ...” (my emphasis)
Yes,I regret very much for the lack of clarity in my post which was typed out in a hurry.Yes,it is true that the adaptive characteristics get passed on. I used the word evolution without a capital E. Evolution means a process,but I used it loosely for the adapted characteristics.
Now that I have recanted like Good Old Galileo did before the Papacy,will ...[text shortened]... what scientific evidence exists for the adaptive characteristic of two hemisphere human brain ?
the two hemisphere human brain exists -what do you mean?
I am guessing you do not deny that we have two hemispheres?
It is interesting how you guys can so readily swallow the whole virgin birth and resurrection stuff based on the flimsiest of evidence (what, four hagiographic accounts written by some religious zealots decades after the events?) and yet can casually dismiss over a hundred years' worth of carefully accumulated research data gathered and critiqued by some of the most eminent minds our race has produced. An admirable demonstration of faith, I'm sure.
Originally posted by galveston75I don't get it. Either of these perspectives show nothing to contradict god using evolution-
Because God as the Bible says and demonstrates many, many times is a "God of order" and not one to leave things up to chance. The Bible clearlly says in Genesis that each animal was created and according to it's "kind". Not one hint of a comment that God created some half alive blob in a pond of scum and said "let's see what happens with this!"
you believe in a god who has takes control over everything and directs the course of evolution
you believe in a god who allows for free will, but still directs the course of evolution
or you believe in a god who allows for free will but doesn't direct the course of evolution
What is so WRONG with evolution? Why does it automatically discount some kind of god? Where does this interpretation stem from? I'm genuinely serious here. I try not to advocate one side or the other, I just want to know why god and evolution are incompatible. Did I miss something critical here?
Originally posted by ua41“...Did I miss something critical here? ...”
I don't get it. Either of these perspectives show nothing to contradict god using evolution-
you believe in a god who has takes control over everything and directs the course of evolution
you believe in a god who allows for free will, but still directs the course of evolution
or you believe in a god who allows for free will but doesn't direct the course of ...[text shortened]... just want to know why god and evolution are incompatible. Did I miss something critical here?
I don't think you have.
I don't see why evolution would logically directly contradict the notion that there is a god and if one of the interpretations of something in the religious scriptures is at odds with the scientific facts, why would a theist not simply use a different interpretations that is not at odds with that fact rather than dig their own hole by insisting that THAT interpretation MUST be the correct one -i.e. the one that has been proven wrong!!!? I honestly don't understand their strategy here.