12 Aug 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadI believe you have a strong point here.
1. Where does starlight come from?
Answer stars.
2. How does it get to us?
Answer at the speed of light.
Yet you claim that we cannot know this without personally witnessing it all. Oddly enough you probably dispute 2. but not 1. even thought there is plenty of evidence for both. The only real difference is that 1. does not directly come in conflict ...[text shortened]... don't realise is that if we are all wrong about 2. then we are probably also all wrong about 1.
Where I see the difference is again we what we have seen to what we believe has
occured. How long ago and how did the stars get there which again goes back to
what we were talking about? If you believe the stars all just formed and started
about the same time....you are just going to be believing something you cannot
prove. We can see bones in bodies, we know there are processes that cause them
to become fossils under certain conditions. The debate can center on how long did
it take and how old are the fossils, but neither of those debates change the core
points we agree on this happened to the bones and they are fossils.
Do I think even what I believe about fossils is also faith, yes.
Kelly
12 Aug 12
Originally posted by KellyJayJust out of curiosity, what would you think if life were found on Mars, or say in the ice on Europa? Would it matter if those life forms were found to be based on Earthy DNA?
I do not know I'm wrong I'm quite content knowing I'm right. There is no way
the things that evolution is being credited for could happen under the conditions
that it has been suggested. Just as I believe God can create life and give us
the freedom to make our own choices I do not believe nothing can cause all
things to appear and with no direction ...[text shortened]... is
grand amount of life around that evolutionist want to give credit to nothing
for.
Kelly[/b]
Or if it wasn't?
12 Aug 12
Originally posted by sonhouseI don't know what it'd prove one way or another if life were found on Mars.
Just out of curiosity, what would you think if life were found on Mars, or say in the ice on Europa? Would it matter if those life forms were found to be based on Earthy DNA?
Or if it wasn't?
Now if a space ship landed and some guys/gals/whatever got out and started
a conversation, wow! I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. 🙂
Kelly
12 Aug 12
Originally posted by KellyJayIf life were found on other planets or moons, wouldn't that say something about the secrecy of your god? Not revealing there were other worlds out there and they had life on them?
I don't know what it'd prove one way or another if life were found on Mars.
Now if a space ship landed and some guys/gals/whatever got out and started
a conversation, wow! I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. 🙂
Kelly
12 Aug 12
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Originally posted by KellyJayI say that how the stars got there is totally irrelevant. You say that it is essential for any knowledge at all. You have failed to substantiate your claim.
How long ago and how did the stars get there which again goes back to
what we were talking about?
I say that we can see with our own eyes (through a telescope) over a billion stars in our galaxy and over a billion galaxies. Sure we cant count them ourselves, (due to time constraints) but if we look at any patch of sky we see them and can easily estimate the total number (much higher than the figures I have given). Now either we are totally wrong about what stars are and what light is or we are seeing stars that are a very very long way a way. There is simply no way that a billion billion stars would fit into a 10,000 light year radius. So either we are seeing things that are older than 10,000 years or there is something about the physics of it all that we are totally wrong about. And we would have to be so, so wrong that we would have to rewrite astronomy.
If you believe the stars all just formed and started about the same time....you are just going to be believing something you cannot prove.
And nobody believes that, so why bring it up? Why not at least discuss scenarios that someone believes.
We can see bones in bodies, we know there are processes that cause them
to become fossils under certain conditions.
How do you know this? There is no written record to that effect. You have claimed that one cannot know something without either knowing the origin of the universe or having a written record. Or do you accept scientific evidence when it suits you and not when it doesn't suit you?
The debate can center on how long did it take and how old are the fossils, but neither of those debates change the core
points we agree on this happened to the bones and they are fossils.
But why do we agree? Why do you accept that fossils are the result of bones? Is it that the evidence is so strong that you find it undeniable, or is it that it doesn't conflict with your religion?
Do I think even what I believe about fossils is also faith, yes.
Kelly
But is it well founded faith, or no different from believing in fairy tales?
12 Aug 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadBelieving in evolution is no different from believing in fairy tales.
I say that how the stars got there is totally irrelevant. You say that it is essential for any knowledge at all. You have failed to substantiate your claim.
I say that we can see with our own eyes (through a telescope) over a billion stars in our galaxy and over a billion galaxies. Sure we cant count them ourselves, (due to time constraints) but if we lo ...[text shortened]... yes.
Kelly
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13 Aug 12
Originally posted by RJHindsalmost every country in the world produces geologists, how does the evolution conspiracy manage to get a hold of them and make them follow the party line. regardless of the financial benefits that would come with disproving evolution.
Thank God for that. HalleuYah !!! Praise the Lord!
14 Aug 12
Originally posted by sonhouseI'm not sure what you'd think the issue would be with that? There are a lot of things
If life were found on other planets or moons, wouldn't that say something about the secrecy of your god? Not revealing there were other worlds out there and they had life on them?
I don't know, there are a lot of things you don't know, there are a lot of things all
of us don't know. If we found life else where, well we would have uncovered a new
data point we didn't have before.
Kelly
14 Aug 12
Originally posted by twhitehead"I say that how the stars got there is totally irrelevant."
I say that how the stars got there is totally irrelevant. You say that it is essential for any knowledge at all. You have failed to substantiate your claim.
I say that we can see with our own eyes (through a telescope) over a billion stars in our galaxy and over a billion galaxies. Sure we cant count them ourselves, (due to time constraints) but if we lo ...[text shortened]... yes.
Kelly
But is it well founded faith, or no different from believing in fairy tales?[/b]
I'm just blown away you'd say that since how they got there is everything to
understanding how long they have been there. Without that data point you can
look and measure anything you want and it will not answer how long they have
been there! You don't know what piece of information you need before you shows
you how long they have been there, and if you don't care I would say you are not
interested in the question and are willing casting a blind eye to the debate.
Kelly