Faith and Works

Originally posted by dj2becker
Before I respond to your question, I have a question for you:

Did the thief on the cross do any good works?

that thief was in the process of visiting (with spoken words) a prisoner.

a few more words that don't fit your dogma

3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons
of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never
forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

when you assume the scribes and pharisees had no "faith" you forget that they had Him crucified for what they thought was blasphemy.

the following doesn't say "faith" either.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the
will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Originally posted by frogstomp
that thief was in the process of visiting (with spoken words) a prisoner.

a few more words that don't fit your dogma

3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons
of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never
forgiveness, but is in dang ...[text shortened]... 3:35 For whosoever shall do the
will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

So, would you mind answering the question:

Did the thief on the cross do any good works?

Originally posted by dj2becker
So, would you mind answering the question:

Did the thief on the cross do any good works?

Just showed you one.

the thief wasnt being excuted for doing or not doing the kindnesses that Christ says in Matthew 25, so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.

Originally posted by frogstomp
Just showed you one.

the thief wasnt being excuted for doing or not doing the kindnesses that Christ says in Matthew 25, so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.

...so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.

If you won't be guessing then you'd probably know. Then why are you evading my question?

Originally posted by dj2becker
[b]...so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.

If you won't be guessing then you'd probably know. Then why are you evading my question?[/b]

HE ANSWERED YOU! Visiting a prisoner is one of the acts of mercy i.e. a good work! Please start thinking for yourself for a change.

Originally posted by no1marauder
HE ANSWERED YOU! Visiting a prisoner is one of the acts of mercy i.e. a good work! Please start thinking for yourself for a change.

I think I have gotten you wrong somewhere...

Are you saying that the theif on the cross was visiting prisoners in jail?

To be more specific, the thief's acts would be a corporal work of mercy: visiting the sick (verbally in this case) and two spiritual works of mercy: comforting the afflicted and bearing wrongs patiently. The list of acts of mercy is from St. Thomas Acquinas. See:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm

Originally posted by dj2becker
I think I have gotten you wrong somewhere...

Are you saying that the theif on the cross was visiting prisoners in jail?

Are you truly as dense as you seem to be in this forum? Read my post above.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Are you truly as dense as you seem to be in this forum? Read my post above.

By the way, your post above came after my post you are quoting.

Is St. Thomas in the Bible?

Originally posted by dj2becker
[b]...so I wont be guessing what deeds he had done beforehand.

If you won't be guessing then you'd probably know. Then why are you evading my question?[/b]

That wasn't evading.
There is only the criminal charges that he admitted to being guilty of , and the acts that Christ said in matt25 were not criminal offenses.
So I have no way of judging , nor do you. except by applying the acts in Matthew 25 and relying on Christ's judgement that the thief had met the requirements of salvation.
Besides that , your own view of " works and faith " also admits to the thief having done the works.

Answer a question for me on the matter of salvation:
Between God and Satan: which the two wants the most souls excluded from heaven?

Originally posted by dj2becker
By the way, your post above came after my post you are quoting.

Is St. Thomas in the Bible?

Are you? Which one of the acts of mercy do you believe Jesus wouldn't have counted, dj2becker?

BTW, for ANOTHER Biblical contradiction compare Luke 24:39-43 with Matthew 27:44 regarding the words of the two crucified on both sides of Jesus:

44 And the robbers also that were crucified with him cast upon him the same reproach.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Are you? Which one of the acts of mercy do you believe Jesus wouldn't have counted, dj2becker?

BTW, for ANOTHER Biblical contradiction compare Luke 24:39-43 with Matthew 27:44 regarding the words of the two crucified on both sides of Jesus:

44 And the robbers also that were crucified with him cast upon him the same reproach.

Is St Thomas in the Bible?

Originally posted by no1marauder
I said it was a reasonable position, but not the only reasonable position. There are parts of the Gospels that seem to indicate that faith is a requirement, but Matthew 25 isn't one of them. The question that needs to be answered is why Jesus omitted mention of faith in Matthew 25 when specifically spelling out the requirements for salvation. I still await a reasonable response to that question.

I think Jesus was describing a necessary condition for salvation in Mt 25, but I don't think he was describing the sufficient conditions.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Is St Thomas in the Bible?

Are you in the Bible?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Are you in the Bible?

My name is 😉