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Believers say they have faith. Is it not more accurate to say they have hope?
Originally posted by 667joeEither way, there are many Christians who believe that if they just think certain things, they will become immortal. Whether they really think it's true or if they simply hope that it is ~ depends on the person, I suppose.
Believers say they have faith. Is it not more accurate to say they have hope?
Originally posted by 667joeFaith implies hope. However Christians shy away from using the word hope since it means that it is something with less than 100% certainty. Also they like claiming that they already have eternal life, rather than using the more accurate statement per all the Apostles which is that they have a hope of eternal life.
Believers say they have faith. Is it not more accurate to say they have hope?
Originally posted by FMFDidn't your mother ever warn you that if you make that face too much that it might freeze that way?
Either way, there are many Christians who believe that if they just [b]think certain things, they will become immortal. Whether they really think it's true or if they simply hope that it is ~ depends on the person, I suppose.
Something concrete out of all this believing, hoping and thinking is that it is certainly true that it gives enormous numbers of p ...[text shortened]... ) but it nevertheless serves a purpose ~ and has impacts on people's lives ~ in a very real way.[/b]
Originally posted by Rajk999Do you also just hope that God keeps His promises, or do you know that He keeps His promises? Go on, tell the truth now... you can do it...
Faith implies hope. However Christians shy away from using the word hope since it means that it is something with less than 100% certainty. Also they like claiming that they already have eternal life, rather than using the more accurate statement per all the Apostles which is that they have a hope of eternal life.
Originally posted by FMFEither way, there are many Christians who believe that if they just think certain things, they will become immortal.
Either way, there are many Christians who believe that if they just [b]think certain things, they will become immortal. Whether they really think it's true or if they simply hope that it is ~ depends on the person, I suppose.
Something concrete out of all this believing, hoping and thinking is that it is certainly true that it gives enormous numbers of p ...[text shortened]... ) but it nevertheless serves a purpose ~ and has impacts on people's lives ~ in a very real way.[/b]
"For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all and rich to all who call upon Him." (v.12)
Originally posted by SuzianneI think what I said was an honest and fair statement by a non-believer. I don't really know why you are being snide. If you can't cope with ideas you don't agree with, perhaps you should discuss spirituality on a Christians-only forum.
Didn't your mother ever warn you that if you make that face too much that it might freeze that way?
FMF: many Christians who believe that if they just think certain things, they will become immortal.You think Jesus Christ died to "forgive your sins" and "save" you, don't you? You think, as a result, you will have everlasting life, right? You think the Bible represents the true revelation of your God figure?
Originally posted by sonship
Who ?
Can you quote them ?
Originally posted by sonshipWell, sorry. I wasn't clear. That's not how I meant it. Of course non-believers can become believers. Just as believers can become non-believers.
If that was the case then no non-believers would ever become believers.
What you are really saying is illogical. You're implying that Christians are never former unbelievers.
Originally posted by sonshipWell I'm speaking as a non-believer, sonship, obviously, and one that has always lived among Christians, so you telling me the view I laid out in my response to the OP is "baloney" doesn't really mean anything to me. I know for a fact that countless Christians draw comfort and a sense of purpose from their beliefs and this is demonstrably true regardless of whether you or I believe they are "availing themselves of God's faithfulness".
Now wishful thinking is comforting. But that's baloney. I know thousands of Christians. Most of them were formerly unbelievers. They got convinced to avail themselves of God's faithfulness.
Originally posted by 667joeYou are kind of right, for one gives us the other it is even spelled out as such in scripture.
Believers say they have faith. Is it not more accurate to say they have hope?
Originally posted by sonshipChristians are not among those who just think they are some thing so they can enter into
[b] Either way, there are many Christians who believe that if they just think certain things, they will become immortal.
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Who ?
Can you quote them ?
IE. something like "Well, if I just THINK this or that thing, why, I will be immortal."
Wheth ...[text shortened]...
1.) The power of positive thinking.
2.) A self powered road to "immortality" in your sense.
Originally posted by FMFAu contraire. It is you who "cannot cope with ideas you can't agree with". Your sneering comes through loud and clear. Honest and fair? Sorry, that didn't get past the sneer on your face as you said it. Perhaps you should take your hand-wringing and your derision to an atheist-only forum where you'll be among "like minds", if you can't cope with people responding to your derisive posturing.
I think what I said was an honest and fair statement by a non-believer. I don't really know why you are being snide. If you can't cope with ideas you don't agree with, perhaps you should discuss spirituality on a Christians-only forum.