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Originally posted by Proper KnobTrue that. Like the rest of you schlubs, I'll be on my face.
Highly doubtful you'll ever stand before God.
Originally posted by PenguinGood point. This idea shows that God as far as the Bible indicates does not start or stop such things as this. My last post explains this.
If God intervened to stop it then I would be wanting a bloody good answer to why he allowed it to start in the first place!
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHIf that were the case it would be for one of two reasons:
Highly doubtful that when you're standing before God, that your stance will be one of defiance.
Originally posted by PenguinSpoken like a man woefully ignorant of reality. You seem rather convinced of your own intellectual prowess, but sadly, this will garner you no points in the end. Hell, it doesn't even offer you solace now!
If that were the case it would be for one of two reasons:
1. He is a tyrant who rules through fear
2. He is a manipulator who rules by mind control and is able to make people loose their sense of reason.
Seriously, I'm sure plenty of people were praying in Haiti and in new Orleans and countless other disasters when there was no convenient change in the ...[text shortened]... you have to blame him for [b]not stopping all the other natural disasters.
--- Penguin.[/b]
Originally posted by FreakyKBHyeah fine. But where is the flaw in my argument?
Spoken like a man woefully ignorant of reality. You seem rather convinced of your own intellectual prowess, but sadly, this will garner you no points in the end. Hell, it doesn't even offer you solace now!
Originally posted by PenguinThis is not my view, but I would venture to say that maybe "He" started it to test the faith off his people.
If God intervened to stop it then I would be wanting a bloody good answer to why he allowed it to start in the first place!
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by karoly aczelHum...Actually there is nothing to support that thought in the Bible that God test any of us that way. The couple the Bible does mention is of course Adam & Eve but they were perfect and should have passed the test God put before them.
This is not my view, but I would venture to say that maybe "He" started it to test the faith off his people.
"Hey!!Look at me!I can bring you to the point of extinction and then just pull it back at the last moment. See how powerful I am!"
Originally posted by ZahlanziThat is one perspective. Another perspective is that he stands aside to let us work things out for ourselves if we so desire. However, if we choose to include him he may work wonders.
but generally, i believe god ceased his intervention on earth. we have reached a point where we can work things out for ourselves.[/b]
Originally posted by PenguinIf God were in control do you think he would have sanctioned large numbers of people living below sea level?
If that were the case it would be for one of two reasons:
1. He is a tyrant who rules through fear
2. He is a manipulator who rules by mind control and is able to make people loose their sense of reason.
Seriously, I'm sure plenty of people were praying in Haiti and in new Orleans and countless other disasters when there was no convenient change in the ...[text shortened]... you have to blame him for [b]not stopping all the other natural disasters.
--- Penguin.[/b]
Originally posted by PenguinReally? I was under the impression that a flawed premise--- not matter how professionally articulated and fleshed out--- cannot help but result in a wrong conclusion.
yeah fine. But where is the flaw in my argument?
--- Penguin
Originally posted by Proper KnobFunny. Even though we all know it is not the case, if a person could be condemned to hell for general douche baggery, you'd be somewhere in that waiting line.
With your God 'bare-back' riding you in a cowboy hat laughing -
'You stupid human, how did you ever think that someone who was responsible for so much pain and misery could be the 'good-guy'?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou seem to be resorting to personal insults, maybe not against me but certainly against Proper Knob (though I can see how you may have been offended).
Really? I was under the impression that a flawed premise--- not matter how professionally articulated and fleshed out--- cannot help but result in a wrong conclusion.
Your ignorance of reality keep you from seeing it aright, thus the need for the baseless incendiary language, which forms the basis of your premise.
See how that all works out so neatly?
Originally posted by PenguinWhich event am I crediting God with, exactly?
You seem to be resorting to personal insults, maybe not against me but certainly against Proper Knob (though I can see how you may have been offended).
But I still don't see a problem with either the premise or the argument:
You are crediting God with ending a natural event. Why are you not also crediting him with starting it?
--- Penguin
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAt the start of this thread, karoly aczel said:
Which event am I crediting God with, exactly?