1. Standard memberdj2becker
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    10 Aug '05 08:30
    Have you ever seen the wind? But somehow you believe that the wind exists...
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    10 Aug '05 08:331 edit
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Have you ever seen the wind? But somehow you believe that the wind exists...
    Oh, bloody hell! Really?

    dj2, would you mind telling me how old you are?

    TheSkipper

    EDIT: Ah, I see from your profile you are 19. Seeing as you are still quite young and are blessed with an amazing capacity to suck up knowledge would you be willing to read some books I suggest to you with an open mind?
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    10 Aug '05 08:45
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Have you ever seen the wind? But somehow you believe that the wind exists...
    Actually, the wind isn't a thing.

    Wind is but the movement of air, which we can feel and consistently test.

    Air exists--this can be proven by many different methods, either directly or indirectly.
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    10 Aug '05 08:50
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Have you ever seen the wind? But somehow you believe that the wind exists...
    Your poetic rhetoric would have been effective in the pre-industrial era, when the means to "see" the wind did not exist. Even so, sight doesn't necessarily outrank touch.

    I'm sure you can do better than that.
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    10 Aug '05 09:01
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Your poetic rhetoric would have been effective in the pre-industrial era, when the means to "see" the wind did not exist. Even so, sight doesn't necessarily outrank touch.

    I'm sure you can do better than that.
    Unfortunately, this is neither the first time he has used this analogy, nor in fact the worst of them.
  6. Standard memberdj2becker
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    10 Aug '05 09:06
    Originally posted by echecero
    Actually, the wind isn't a thing.

    Wind is but the movement of air, which we can feel and consistently test.

    Air exists--this can be proven by many different methods, either directly or indirectly.
    Actually, the wind isn't a thing.

    Is God a 'thing'?
  7. Standard memberdj2becker
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    10 Aug '05 09:09
    Originally posted by echecero
    Actually, the wind isn't a thing.

    Wind is but the movement of air, which we can feel and consistently test.

    Air exists--this can be proven by many different methods, either directly or indirectly.
    Wind is but the movement of air, which we can feel and consistently test

    So you prove that the wind exists because of some personal experience of the senses?

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    10 Aug '05 09:29
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Have you ever seen the wind? But somehow you believe that the wind exists...
    you are really hurting for material.
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    10 Aug '05 09:44
    Originally posted by LemonJello
    you are really hurting for material.
    Have you seen an electron?
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    10 Aug '05 09:57
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Have you seen an electron?
    And there's another.
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    10 Aug '05 09:59
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Have you seen an electron?
    the point, dj2, is that your analogies here are really sucky: you are referring to natural things and trying to generalize to supernatural things.

    that is why no one is giving you the time of day in this thread.
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    I don't know why I keep looking in this forum - it only makes my head hurt. It's kind of like a car crash - can't...look...away....
  13. Standard memberdj2becker
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    10 Aug '05 10:18
    Originally posted by LemonJello
    the point, dj2, is that your analogies here are really sucky: you are referring to natural things and trying to generalize to supernatural things.

    that is why no one is giving you the time of day in this thread.
    Is an electron a natural thing? Which of its physical qualities makes it natural?
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    10 Aug '05 10:25
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Is an electron a natural thing? Which of its physical qualities makes it natural?
    It's not 'which ' of its physical qualities that makes it natural, but that it 'has' physical qualities.

    Now please go and look up the difference between supernatural and natural.
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    10 Aug '05 10:282 edits
    Originally posted by Starrman
    It's not 'which ' of its physical qualities that makes it natural, but that it 'has' physical qualities.

    Now please go and look up the difference between supernatural and natural.
    Are you saying that there are natural things with 'physical qualities' which have never been seen or experienced by any of the senses?
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