Originally posted by scottishinnzI'm sure we could hit your point hard, but I still want to know what
Because they see the same God (there can be only one (maximum), right) in different ways, and kill each over it.
An omniscient God knew in advance his inability to write well would cause this.
group of people on the planet walk around error free, and do not
disagree with one another from time to time. You have some level of
perfection hidden some where, where we can see the human race
getting it right? I'm of the opinion that our getting it right will be done
when we are no longer dealing with the sin issue, that time however
has not yet come.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayStop avoiding the point.
I'm sure we could hit your point hard, but I still want to know what
group of people on the planet walk around error free, and do not
disagree with one another from time to time. You have some level of
perfection hidden some where, where we can see the human race
getting it right? I'm of the opinion that our getting it right will be done
when we are no longer dealing with the sin issue, that time however
has not yet come.
Kelly
Your omniscient, omnibenevolent God authored (or at worst simply inspired) some of the most dangerous documents to believe in (i.e. most likely to end up in war and death), yet you amazingly fail to be able to join those two points up, as you are so fond of doing.
Originally posted by scottishinnzThe same infallible, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent God,
All I'm doing is showing that a whole bunch of people believing in the same infallible, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent God, shouldn't be killing each other. You implied that I worship science in the place of God. I do not.
how many people do you believe are doing that? That is following
the same one? Where did I imply you worship science, I believe I was
asking about disagreements wasn't I, possible I don't recall correctly,
but quote me.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayOf course we have disagreements in science. However, science isn't presided over by an omniscient creator.
The same infallible, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent God,
how many people do you believe are doing that? That is following
the same one? Where did I imply you worship science, I believe I was
asking about disagreements wasn't I, possible I don't recall correctly,
but quote me.
Kelly
Originally posted by scottishinnzI do join them up, and as I have said before, we have sin within a race
Stop avoiding the point.
Your omniscient, omnibenevolent God authored (or at worst simply inspired) some of the most dangerous documents to believe in (i.e. most likely to end up in war and death), yet you amazingly fail to be able to join those two points up, as you are so fond of doing.
of people that have the will to act as they will however they will, and
with that we get bad things occuring. That is not going to last forever,
and in the realm of forever it will be but a small next to nothing blip
in the grand scope of things. Then you will get the lion laying down
with the lamb life time that will not end.
Kelly
Originally posted by vistesdAgreed. My point was more along the lines of God not sweating the small stuff (a poor phrase, to be sure, but close in intent) with respect to our sometimes-strident approaches. Perfection is unattainable here, although God has given us everything we need to fulfill His commandments--- as perspicuous as required for the given situation.
But, there are weeds and wheat in all of us. I have read several commentaries on this parable now that point out that, unless one believes that the "adversary" is able to "sow" whole persons in the same way that God is, one cannot read into this parable that the weeds are whole, individual persons...
He has acknowledged built-in obscurities and has reasons for them, as well.
On a side note, it appears my quoting of Scripture has backfired and resulted in a "label" of atheist. Stranger things have happened, I suppose.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou may have noted that I tried to set that charge straight... However, if you keep agreeing with me, I’m going to reconsider! It’s getting scary! 😉
Agreed. My point was more along the lines of God not sweating the small stuff (a poor phrase, to be sure, but close in intent) with respect to our sometimes-strident approaches. Perfection is unattainable here, although God has given us everything we need to fulfill His commandments--- as perspicuous as required for the given situation.
He has acknowl ...[text shortened]... has backfired and resulted in a "label" of atheist. Stranger things have happened, I suppose.
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Originally posted by scottishinnzWe do not all serve the same God. You are correct, that there is only 1 TRUE God, but we don't all serve that God. Just because someone worships something doesn't automatically make it the 1 true God. In the Bible they made "idols" out of gold and precious material and worshiped them, which doesn't make them God. People, from the beginning of time have been searching for God, searching to fill a void in thier lives and fill it with many things other than God i.e. money, alcohol, sex buddah, allah etc, etc. People want to know but don't always know how to fill this void. This causes contention among the peoples. As stated in an earlier post there is sin in the world which God knew there was becasue that is why He sent His Son to die a horrible death on a cross to pay the penalty for that sin. Until that sin is erradicated there will alway be fighting, disagreements etc, etc.
Because they see the same God (there can be only one (maximum), right) in different ways, and kill each over it.
An omniscient God knew in advance his inability to write well would cause this.
Originally posted by safetymanSo, your one true God (TM), who created every single human soul on the planet only sent his only begotten son to save 1/3 of them?
We do not all serve the same God. You are correct, that there is only 1 TRUE God, but we don't all serve that God. Just because someone worships something doesn't automatically make it the 1 true God. In the Bible they made "idols" out of gold and precious material and worshiped them, which doesn't make them God. People, from the beginning of time have ...[text shortened]... sin. Until that sin is erradicated there will alway be fighting, disagreements etc, etc.
I'll ask you this again. Irrespective of who anyone worships, are we not all "children of God"? And if so, why did he create a world where so many of his children deign to kill each other and do so many horrible things to each other.
And no, don't think you can fudge your answer or ignore me - I don't go away.
Originally posted by scottishinnzI didn't say anything about 1/3. Where did that come from out of my post????
So, your one true God (TM), who created every single human soul on the planet only sent his only begotten son to save 1/3 of them?
I'll ask you this again. Irrespective of who anyone worships, are we not all "children of God"? And if so, why did he create a world where so many of his children deign to kill each other and do so many horrible thing ...[text shortened]... ach other.
And no, don't think you can fudge your answer or ignore me - I don't go away.
You are correct that "irrespective of who anyone worships" we were all created by God. Is everyone a follower of the 1 true God? No. As an example. If I had a son or daughter and they ran away, decided they didn't want to listen to me or what i have to say they are still my children but are still not doing what they are supposed to do. They are not treating me as a father and not allowing me to be a father to them. They could go out a steal, kill, rape etc, etc, etc. They are still my children, but are doing thier own thing right?
So, same thing with God. Everyone was created by God but not everyone follows. We were "designed" to worship our creator not kill each other. Sin is in the world and many people have some stinkin' thinkin' going on!
We were designed to love one another.
Do you have children? If so, do they always do what you say?
Originally posted by safetymanWhy did your all-powerful God design inferior creatures with no other purpose but to worship him?
I didn't say anything about 1/3. Where did that come from out of my post????
You are correct that "irrespective of who anyone worships" we were all created by God. Is everyone a follower of the 1 true God? No. As an example. If I had a son or daughter and they ran away, decided they didn't want to listen to me or what i have to say they are still m ...[text shortened]... ed to love one another.
Do you have children? If so, do they always do what you say?
Originally posted by no1marauderAccording to the Bible we are not inferior. We are perfectly and wonderfully made. Do you think you are inferior? I don't think you are. You are probably a pretty smart guy right? You were created by God yourself whether you believe in Him or not. You aren't inferior and neither am I. That is the awesome thing about God. He gives us a free will. We can choose to love Him and worship Him or we can choose not to. It is up to us. He didn't create robots. If He did then maybe we would have inferior products made in the USA! 🙂 God is love and those He created should love Him too.
Why did your all-powerful God design inferior creatures with no other purpose but to worship him?
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Originally posted by safetymanAre we inferior to God? That's my point in case you have a reading comprehension problem. And why does an all-powerful God need anything to love him? Maybe he should buy a dog.
According to the Bible we are not inferior. We are perfectly and wonderfully made. Do you think you are inferior? I don't think you are. You are probably a pretty smart guy right? You were created by God yourself whether you believe in Him or not. You aren't inferior and neither am I. That is the awesome thing about God. He gives us a free will. W inferior products made in the USA! 🙂 God is love and those He created should love Him too.
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Originally posted by no1marauderYour post didn't say anything about being inferior to God. You didn't state inferior to what. So, I didn't reply as such. Remember I said we were perfectly and wonderfully made. I don't have a reading comprehension problem. But to answer your question, yes we are inferior to Him. He is all knowing, all powerful etc, etc. I don't think you or I either one could say that about ourselves do you??
Why did your all-powerful God design inferior creatures with no other purpose but to worship him?