So help me with this one.
If speaking in tongues is genuine, inspired by god, how come people only do it in church?
Why have I never gone to the doctor, described my symptoms and had a reply from an ecstatic rolling on the floor spouting incomprehensible bollocks?
Would you fly in a plane if, half way through the flight, the pilot came on line wailing and talking gibberish?
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Originally posted by aardvarkhomeThey don't. You can practice in the comfort of your own home. (Where's that instructional DVD...).
If speaking in tongues is genuine, inspired by god, how come people only do it in church?
Would you fly in a plane if, half way through the flight, the pilot came on line wailing and talking gibberish?
The point is that you don't have to believe in anything to be able to do it. You can use your glossolalic skill for purposes quite different from holy rolling.
For the rest, there's a time & a place for everything!
It's an interesting phenomenon. As a scientist, you should want to understand it better.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nageim gonna go practice speaking in tongues, that language that i dont even know 😕
They don't. You can practice in the comfort of your own home. (Where's that instructional DVD...).
The point is that you don't have to believe in anything to be able to do it. You can use your glossolalic skill for purposes quite different from holy rolling.
For the rest, there's a time & a place for everything!
It's an interesting phenomenon. As a scientist, you should want to understand it better.
Originally posted by safetymanLOL...they won't because their not really interested...this is their entertainment...🙂
Did anyone read the post by checkbaiter? I mean did you really read it or did you just skim and say "blah blah blah! I know all this stuff" It in fact is a very good site and very informative.
Originally posted by checkbaiterPity, but I think you are correct. Basically you can tell when someone
LOL...they won't because their not really interested...this is their entertainment...🙂
is interested in an exchange of ideas or when insults are the real
motivation; it is interesting and challenging when someone disagrees
yet cares more about presenting their views than someone who is in it
for the insults. One will force you to defend your position without the
attempt to cloud it by making it personal, the other’s goal is to make
it personal and that is just an annoyance even when they have a point
it gets hidden by all the other things they fling at who they are talking
to.
Kelly
Originally posted by safetymanI read it. It assumes a certain perspective that I don't share, although I appreciate the sincerity of the writer.
Did anyone read the post by checkbaiter? I mean did you really read it or did you just skim and say "blah blah blah! I know all this stuff" It in fact is a very good site and very informative.
I regard glossolalia, or "speaking in tongues", as a genuine spiritual phenomenon that is not limited to Christianity, which in fact it predates. Etc, etc.
An amusing footnote:
"Alfred G. Garr and his wife went to the Far East with the conviction that they could preach the gospel in 'the Indian and Chinese languages.' Lucy Farrow went to Africa and returned after seven months during which she was alleged to have preached to the natives in their own 'Kru language.' The German pastor and analyst Oskar Pfister reported the case of a Pentecostal... 'Simon,' who had planned to go to China using tongues for preaching. Numerous other Pentecostal missionaries went abroad believing they had the miraculous ability to speak in the languages of those to whom they were sent. These Pentecostal claims were well known at the time. S.C. Todd of the Bible Missionary Society investigated eighteen Pentecostals who went to Japan, China, and India 'expecting to preach to the natives in those countries in their own tongue,' and found that by their own admission 'in no single instance have [they] been able to do so.' As these and other missionaries returned in disappointment and failure, Pentecostals were compelled to rethink their original view of speaking in tongues".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia
Originally posted by Bosse de NageAgreed. Without going back to check, I would suspect that these particular Pentecostals misread the Pauline texts, and perhaps conflated then with texts speaking about foreign languages... (KJ might be able to verify that, since I am recalling from a thread in which I participated minimally, but in which he and I were in agreement with regard to understanding those texts.)
I read it. It assumes a certain perspective that I don't share, although I appreciate the sincerity of the writer.
I regard glossolalia, or "speaking in tongues", as a genuine spiritual phenomenon that is not limited to Christianity, which in fact it predates. Etc, etc.
An amusing footnote:
"Alfred G. Garr and his wife went to the Far East with ...[text shortened]... riginal view of speaking in tongues".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYea, I'd say they assumed a great deal; however, again their error
I read it. It assumes a certain perspective that I don't share, although I appreciate the sincerity of the writer.
I regard glossolalia, or "speaking in tongues", as a genuine spiritual phenomenon that is not limited to Christianity, which in fact it predates. Etc, etc.
An amusing footnote:
"Alfred G. Garr and his wife went to the Far East with ...[text shortened]... riginal view of speaking in tongues".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia
does not mean that the gifts are not real.
Kelly
Originally posted by vistesdThe Spirit of God gives us the gifts, He moves things happen!
Agreed. Without going back to check, I would suspect that these particular Pentecostals misread the Pauline texts, and perhaps conflated then with texts speaking about foreign languages... (KJ might be able to verify that, since I am recalling from a thread in which I participated minimally, but in which he and I were in agreement with regard to understanding those texts.)
One of the issues I have with some people is that they think they own
the Spirit of God's gifts, that is not so. There are some gifts that really
are given and the gift remains such as salvation and faith, and others
not so, we do not for example just think it is time for God to speak
the the church and start speaking as if God moved and gave them
something to say.
Kelly
I speak in tongues....the bible sometimes refers to it as praying in the spirit. A Christian can S.I.T. or sing in tongues....when I do it, I move my lips and tongue, and believe God to put words there. It is perfect praise, and can be used as intercessory prayer when you don't know what to pray for. I don't flop or roll, I am in total control and can start and stop at will. I can sit when I am driving, etc. It is intended for private prayer use, and in the church. In the church it must be accompanied by interpretation or their is no profit except to the speaker. Some churches operate this manifestation in error. There is no profit to the hearer if there is no interpretation.
Also I would like to add that it is a manifestation of the spirit inside, not a "gift". The gift is "holy spirit", the manifestations of the gift of holy spirit are ....
1 Cor 12:7-10
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
8for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,
10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
(NKJ)
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Originally posted by KellyJayI could be wrong, but I believe the first three, SIT, TWI and prophecy are given at will by the believer. Prophecy is not necessarily foretelling, but forthtelling. They are always meant to edify, comfort or exhort, or they are not from God. These are sometimes called the "worship manifestations".
The Spirit of God gives us the gifts, He moves things happen!
One of the issues I have with some people is that they think they own
the Spirit of God's gifts, that is not so. There are some gifts that really
are given and the gift remains such as salvation and faith, and others
not so, we do not for example just think it is time for God to speak
the the church and start speaking as if God moved and gave them
something to say.
Kelly
The other six manifestations are at God's discretion. In otherwords I cannot will a word of knowledge...🙂
Originally posted by checkbaiterThat is my point, well said, "I cannot will a word of knowledge" it
I could be wrong, but I believe the first three, SIT, TWI and prophecy are given at will by the believer. Prophecy is not necessarily foretelling, but forthtelling. They are always meant to edify, comfort or exhort, or they are not from God. These are sometimes called the "worship manifestations".
The other six manifestations are at God's discretion. In otherwords I cannot will a word of knowledge...🙂
seems that some would like to claim ownership of the Holy Spirit's
gifts and that just isn't going to be honored by God. He is God we
are not.
Kelly
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Originally posted by vistesdHallo, mio amigo.
Agreed. Without going back to check, I would suspect that these particular Pentecostals misread the Pauline texts, and perhaps conflated then with texts speaking about foreign languages... (KJ might be able to verify that, since I am recalling from a thread in which I participated minimally, but in which he and I were in agreement with regard to understanding those texts.)
Hoe é ваш 調査 감
edit : you shoulda seen the japanese and korean words too!!!
edit 2: not to mention the russian
Originally posted by KellyJayExactly. The only point I disagree is where you call them the "gifts". The gift is holy spirit. There are 9 manifestations. A good example is a Swiss Army knife. It is one gift(the SAKnife) and it has 9 functions. The gift of holy spirit should be lower case, that is the believers "deposit", God's gift to us. Holy Spirit , upper case refers to God Himself who is Holy Spirit. I hope this makes sense because it has caused much confusion in the church. This gift of holy spirit is what enables us to resist the evil one and to help us be "fully equipped", to walk the walk.
That is my point, well said, "I cannot will a word of knowledge" it
seems that some would like to claim ownership of the Holy Spirit's
gifts and that just isn't going to be honored by God. He is God we
are not.
Kelly
BTW this is not to be confused with the gift Ministries to the church of Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists Pastors, and Teachers.