Originally posted by Rank outsiderAccording to the National Academy of Sciences, “The statements of science must invoke only natural things and processes. The statements of science are those that emerge from the application of human intelligence to data obtained from observation and experiment” (Teaching About Evolution…, 1998, p. 42, emp. added). So according to this modern definition of “science,” anything non-natural is ruled out. In other words, science must be approached through the assumption of naturalism and materialism. Therefore, God is deemed unscientific by this definition (even though He actually instituted the field of science, cf. Miller, 2012d), since He is non-natural and non-material.
Can you cite a single scientific article on evolution that states that one of its underlying assumptions is that there is no God?
Or is it just normal practice for Christians to tell lies?
And if you are prepared to tell/repeat such a blatant lie, why should we take any notice of anything you have to say on the matter?
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=4666
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Originally posted by Rank outsiderlike i said, there is a point in the gospels where jesus, in order to make a point, mentions adam and eve. it is EXACTLY the same situation as someone saying "harry potter! good example of a stand-up guy, be more like him". it doesn't mean harry potter is real.
Can you give me the scriptural reference to where Christ says humans were created?
Originally posted by ZahlanziIt would be nice to have someone on this Forum with half the knowledge, wisdom, and intelligence that you think you have.
in short, you ignored every point i made, and proceeded in clinging to your own instead of addressing them.
i am not surprised. like every other participant in this forum, i only posted to demonstrate how ignorant and brain washed you are compared to me. which is petty of me, i admit.
there is no kinder way to put it: those that deny evolution ...[text shortened]... to improve it but deny it completely) are delusional and should be kept away from sharp objects.
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Originally posted by RJHindsSo you are calling the leader of the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, with some 1.2 billion followers, and the leader of the Anglican Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury, with some 76.6 million followers, "make-believe Christians" because they are both Evolutionists?
You ask, "why does almost every bishop, archbishop (including the Archbishop of Canterbury), every cardinal (including the Pope) disbelieve in Creationism?"
I do not know anything about these people, so I can not confirm what you say is true. Only a make-believe Christian would disbelieve Creationism, since Creationism is an essential believe to Christian ...[text shortened]... tians believe Christ is the Creator, therefore we must believe in Creationism.
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Now I've heard it all!
If you call yourself a Christian you must get on top of current Christian dogma!
Originally posted by RJHindsThank you.
[b]According to the National Academy of Sciences, “The statements of science must invoke only natural things and processes. The statements of science are those that emerge from the application of human intelligence to data obtained from observation and experiment” (Teaching About Evolution…, 1998, p. 42, emp. added). So according to this modern definition of ...[text shortened]...
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=4666
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Now, can you cite a single scientific article on evolution that states that one of its underlying assumptions is that God does not exist.
This is not a scientific article on evolution and it does not state that one of its underlying assumptions is that God does not exist.
Strike one.
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Originally posted by ZahlanziIn which case, if that is all Jesus said, then Jesus did not "state that humans were created".
like i said, there is a point in the gospels where jesus, in order to make a point, mentions adam and eve. it is EXACTLY the same situation as someone saying "harry potter! good example of a stand-up guy, be more like him". it doesn't mean harry potter is real.
But I will wait for Robbie's response before I reach a conclusion.
-Removed-You find evidence that contradicts one of the components of the Theory.
You do know what a 'Theory' is in this context?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.
So it will be difficult to find such evidence.
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Originally posted by Rank outsideryes he quotes directly from the book of Genesis,
Can you give me the scriptural reference to where Christ says humans were created?
(Matthew 19:4) In reply he said: Did you not read that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female
a direct quotation from
(Genesis 1:27) And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.
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Originally posted by Zahlanziyes because your opinions are meaningless without evidence, you produced none except some silly movie references nor have you stated how the two can be reconciled, Gods word and Christ teaching (Christ quoted directly from the book of Genesis and taught that humans were the direct result of an act of creation on the part of God) which is in direct opposition to the idea man has evolved from another species, either humans were created by an act of God or they were not and since that you have provided nothing except your opinions, despite being asked for some evidence to back up your claim i musty now conclude that you have nothing except some references to a movie that i have not, nor probably will ever watch.
in short, you ignored every point i made, and proceeded in clinging to your own instead of addressing them.
i am not surprised. like every other participant in this forum, i only posted to demonstrate how ignorant and brain washed you are compared to me. which is petty of me, i admit.
there is no kinder way to put it: those that deny evolution ...[text shortened]... to improve it but deny it completely) are delusional and should be kept away from sharp objects.
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Originally posted by Pianoman1They may just be ignorant of evilution and do not know any better. They may be using a different definition. Who knows?
So you are calling the leader of the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, with some 1.2 billion followers, and the leader of the Anglican Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury, with some 76.6 million followers, "make-believe Christians" because they are both Evolutionists?
Now I've heard it all!
If you call yourself a Christian you must get on top of current Christian dogma!
The Instructor
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThank you.
yes he quotes directly from the book of Genesis,
(Matthew 19:4) In reply he said: Did you not read that he [b]who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female
a direct quotation from
(Genesis 1:27) And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.[/b]
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat is your view of the hymn 'All things bright and beautiful'? Bear with me.
yes because your opinions are meaningless without evidence, you produced none except some silly movie references nor have you stated how the two can be reconciled, Gods word and Christ teaching (Christ quoted directly from the book of Genesis and taught that humans were the direct result of an act of creation on the part of God) which is in direct op ...[text shortened]... ou have nothing except some references to a movie that i have not, nor probably will ever watch.
Revelations 4:11 states that God created all things. That, presumably, includes me. I was an act of his creation. Indeed, it is 'by his will'.
However, I presume you don't deny that I was also the product of a process by which my mother and father independently conceived me.
Yet still God states that he created me.
It therefore seems that God can claim creation rights even when the process involved that gives rise to new life is an independent one.
So it is not contradictory to state that evolution could operate to give rise to mankind, but also that God 'created man' in an act of creation.
All things bright and beautiful, the Lord God made them all.