Originally posted by robbie carrobiethat is your interpretation and it comes from ignorance. my interpretation is the correct one.
the scripture is quite clear, Jesus taught that Adam and Eve were created as a direct consequence of an act of God, from their inception, as humans. Now you can accept the fact or you cannot, it makes little difference to me.
perhaps you should read the passage again and the truth will become clearer.
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Originally posted by Zahlanziclearly you have no idea what a parable is, its a fictitious account, Christ is not using any fictitious accounts, he quotes directly from the book of Genesis an account that he held to be true, as did Paul, as did Peter. Your interpretation is ludicrous and I dont need to read the passage again to know that. Tell the forum on what basis we should believe that Christ was using the book of Genesis as a parable? Please note, because you say so is not evidence.
that is your interpretation and it comes from ignorance. my interpretation is the correct one.
perhaps you should read the passage again and the truth will become clearer.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBecause life wasn't created, it evolved.
clearly you have no idea what a parable is, its a fictitious account, Christ is not using any fictitious accounts, he quotes directly from the book of Genesis an account that he held to be true, as did Paul, as did Peter. Your interpretation is ludicrous and I dont need to read the passage again to know that. Tell the forum on what basis we should ...[text shortened]... st was using the book of Genesis as a parable? Please note, because you say so is not evidence.
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Originally posted by Proper Knobfine, but we are not looking at things from the perspective of your materialistic theories, but from a Biblical perspective and therefore you have failed, did i say failed? yeah, FAILED to establish any Biblical basis for the assertion of those Christians you so love to cite, Christians like Zippy, who claim that God has utilized the theorized process of abiogenesis and evolution to create the diversification of life.
Because life wasn't created, it evolved.
Its time to fess up and state that the two are mutually exclusive and that those Christians, like Zippy, like Woosianne have not a leg to stand upon, i will hear your confession now my son.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSuck it up fatboy, you're on the losing team all day long. Neeeext!!!!!!!
fine, but we are not looking at things from the perspective of your materialistic theories, but from a Biblical perspective and therefore you have failed, did i say failed? yeah, FAILED to establish any Biblical basis for the assertion of those Christians you so love to cite, Christians like Zippy, who claim that God has utilized the theorized proces ...[text shortened]... like Zippy, like Woosianne have not a leg to stand upon, i will hear your confession now my son.
Originally posted by robbie carrobiethe book of genesis is fictitious. every non-retarded christian knows that.
clearly you have no idea what a parable is, its a fictitious account, Christ is not using any fictitious accounts, he quotes directly from the book of Genesis an account that he held to be true, as did Paul, as did Peter. Your interpretation is ludicrous and I dont need to read the passage again to know that. Tell the forum on what basis we should ...[text shortened]... st was using the book of Genesis as a parable? Please note, because you say so is not evidence.
it is only the people from less important cults that invent nonsense to set themselves apart from the normal christians.
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Originally posted by Zahlanziclearly neither Christ nor Paul nor Peter thought so, after all, they all make reference to it as a reality throughout their writings and we are back again to the usual self certified and bloated opinions of so called Christians like you telling us whats true and what is not true, because you say so. For someone with your limited knowledge of scripture you should not claim retardation when speaking of others, ironic considering your scant knowledge of the most widely distributed and translated book in the history of mankind, yet deem yourself an expert on its contents, expert enough to make unfounded and rather ludicrous claims. See when you post some evidence, let us know, your opinions are meaningless without it and arguments ad populum, even less so. Here is a rather stark synopsis of your reasons,
the book of genesis is fictitious. every non-retarded christian knows that.
it is only the people from less important cults that invent nonsense to set themselves apart from the normal christians.
Its true/not true because I say so
Its true/not true because many people believe it
retarded? ouch!
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Originally posted by Proper KnobHaha, you will not fess up, then, i will make you confess and hold an Inquisition, clearly you are a heretic! you will e handed over to Satan, for the destruction of the flesh!
Suck it up fatboy, you're on the losing team all day long. Neeeext!!!!!!!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieyou clearly have no idea what you are talking about, something apparent to every person on this thread. you just have the watchtower propaganda that you repeat over and over, not daring to actually read the bible for yourself and see that you are being lied to. true christians understand that jesus spoke in parables. you aren't a true christian, you are a cult member.
clearly neither Christ nor Paul nor Peter thought so, after all, they all make reference to it as a reality throughout their writings and we are back again to the usual self certified and bloated opinions of so called Christians like you telling us whats true and what is not true, because you say so. For someone with your limited knowledge of script ...[text shortened]... e/not true because I say so
Its true/not true because many people believe it
retarded? ouch!
Originally posted by Zahlanzimeh haters gonna hate
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, something apparent to every person on this thread. you just have the watchtower propaganda that you repeat over and over, not daring to actually read the bible for yourself and see that you are being lied to. true christians understand that jesus spoke in parables. you aren't a true christian, you are a cult member.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieActually, I don’t think you have proved this claim as yet.
thus, Darwinian evolutionary theory and Christianity are mutually exclusive.
You claimed that Mathew 19:4 demonstrated that Jesus denies the possibility that evolution was the process by which humankind came into existence.
You focused on the word ‘created’. You posted:
"Did you not read that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female '
You put the words ‘who created’ in bold. You then posted a quote from Genesis also highlighting the same words:
And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.
This is an example of cross-referencing to support an argument. Nothing wrong with that, in principle.
I then pointed out that Revelations 4:11 uses the term ‘created’ as follows:
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”
This demonstrates that God can create things through the use of other agents (including those with free will) and which could (I hypothesise) include the process of evolution.
Of course, this form of cross-referencing suddenly becomes unacceptable to you:
To cite other instances of the use of term create and what it may apply to does not negate this rather clear Biblical fact
Funny that you have just used a cross-reference to support the idea that Jesus, when using the term ‘create’, means an instantaneous process driven at the instigation of God and God alone, but when someone use the same technique to demonstrate that ‘create’ can mean something very different, it suddenly becomes irrelevant.
But more importantly, if it is the case that you cannot necessarily take the same words to mean the same things when used in different parts of the Bible (which of course is correct) then why assume Jesus meant the same thing as in the Genesis account?
You then change the emphasis of your argument to focus on the words ‘from the beginning’.
Again, it is clear that the words ‘in the beginning’ do not mean exactly the same thing as in the Genesis account, which says:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
At this point, did Adam and Eve exist? Of course, not. So when Jesus says ‘from the beginning’, it clearly does not reference this point in time.
It is much more natural to assume that Jesus, rather, meant ‘from the very beginning of mankind’s existence’.
It’s not hard to believe that God could direct evolution so that the first example of a human coming into existence as a separate species was male (Adam) and the second example female (Eve) and then he whisks them off to the garden of Eden.
So, as yet, nothing you have cited means that evolution and Christianity are incompatible.
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Originally posted by RJHindsThank you, but rather than respond to a post that wasn't directed at you, perhaps you could reply to one that was.
The process of reproduction is created and designed by God. The instructions are pre-programmed and stored in the DNA. So all biological life is a result of what God did in the beginning. They all are to reproduce after their kind.
[b]And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and ha ...[text shortened]... n, only creation. It looks to me that God owns the copyright on His creation.
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Can you cite a single scientific article on evolution that states that one of its underlying assumptions is that God does not exist?