Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Jesus also said, ""If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
Here Jesus explains the process in detail. It is the truth that will make you free. So Jesus makes you free via knowing the truth and the truth is what makes you free. Also there is no claim here that He i tate of Christianity?
How can you ignore the logical implications of your position?
In another thread we explored the fact that in Jewish theology and language there were many words for sin ranging from wilful committing of sin and less serious sins (eg accidental or unintentional sins). There is no jewish word that I know of that expresses the concept of "all sin" , there are different words for different types of sin. So which one was jesus using?
Therefore , we can logically assume that Jesus might well have been talking about a wilful committing of sin or at least one area of sin.
Notice that the translation mentions "committing sin" which could easily suggest a wilful approach to sinning. Also , notice that Jesus saved his wrath for those who did not recognise their sinful ways and were unrepentant , whereas the disciples who were still sinning (eg arguing , doubting , becoming jealous , etc) were loved by Jesus , presumably because they were repentant and confessing their sins.
You did not accept the logical concequences of all this for your position then , nor do I expect you to now. I just thought it worth repeating for the record so that people would realise your argument is far , far from the watertight position you present it to be.
The possible answer to this whole thing could be that no-one is totally free of all sin , but that we can be free of committing sin wilfully and also free of the consequences of sin (via the remission of sin Jesus spoke about) . In the end it's not sin that's really the problem but what sin does to us. It separates us from God. Jesus lifted this separation so that we no longer have to be perfect (something the Jews had tried to do but failed) in order to be in union with God.
I think God just might have the ability (LOL) to distinguish between someone who is wilfully committing sin and someone whose heart is in the right place but ends up drfiting into sin unintentionally
The problem is you don't believe in God or the Holy Spirit , so the idea of a union between yoursself and God makes no sense to you.