Originally posted by Tshotsho Khalapa
Jesus Christ and Jehovah are one. During creation of the heaven and the earth Jesus was there. He was there yesterday, He is there today and He will be there tomorrow. He is always with us. Let us be mindful of those facts which can be proved beyond reasonable doubt.
Welcome to the forum. We've been playing chess too. Good games.
Keep in mind that one of the quickest ways to gather a room full of atheists is to start a Bible Study. There are lots of atheists in this room, you know ? You just met one - twhitehead.
I certainly have learned to respect the words of the Bible. They do not have to prove something beyond a shadow of doubt, as some suggest. It is valuable that they evidence that I am on the right track to believe them. A lot of things are not proved "beyond any shadow of doubt." We can usually find something to cause us to doubt.
Maybe some mathematical formulas are proofs without a shadow of doubt . . . maybe.
An argument from authority is not necessarily a wrong argument. It is just not a logically rigorous one according to some textbooks on logical arguments. As for authority, we eventually have to trust someone's authority.
Atheists too eventually will put their trust in someone's
The verse you alluded to was Hebrews 12:8
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes, even forever."
My belief about that passage is that "yesterday"
goes back to the day of His resurrection.
My God is the man Jesus for certain. And I surely believe that God was incarnated as the man Jesus Christ. He is God eternal and uncreated Who became a man.
"Yesterday, today ... and forever"
I teach means yesterday going back to the day Christ was resurrected and became the Firstborn Son of God.
before His incarnation, death and resurrection He had only divinity and not humanity. From incarnation He put on humanity. And from resurrection He brought that humanity into glorification forever.
So I teach that Hebrews 12:8
speaks of Christ being the same from the day of His resurrection, and today, and on and on into eternity - the glorified and uplifted man as Lord of all.
Does this make sense to you ?