Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI'm going to say Eve. She was set up by God to take the fall for original sin. Job's afflictions didn't have much effect beyond himself, but Eve continues to unjustly take the rap for the fallen state of all humanity.
Which Bible character would you say most severely got the shaft?
Here are some candidates:
Originally posted by rwingettshe was NOT set up, god showed her free will and she made a bad choice
I'm going to say Eve. She was set up by God to take the fall for original sin. Job's afflictions didn't have much effect beyond himself, but Eve continues to unjustly take the rap for the fallen state of all humanity.
Originally posted by rwingettok, let me show you what is NOT free will.
Freewill is incompatible with an omniscient and omnipotent god. She was set up. Everything worked out just as god intended from the very beginning.
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomThis is not the thread to start yet another interminable harangue about freewill. Go start your own thread if you want.
ok, let me show you what is NOT free will.
if God were to only show eve all that is good, and she never known evil in her life so she was always a good person then that would not be free will.
here is free will:
if God were to show eve good and evil, and let her make her own choices; it was not a set up. he knew what would happen, but he wante ...[text shortened]... and made you do it? no you did it because you wanted to so wtf is this crap about no free will?
Originally posted by Nemesio*Ba da bing*
Mary is said not to have gotten the shaft...
Originally posted by rwingettDang, beat me to it. She got the shaft cause she DIDN'T get the shaft.
*Ba da bing*
Or not. An immaculate conception (I would think) has a conspicuous lack of "shafts."
So we could say that Mary got the shaft in that she had a pregnancy without ever having the pleasures associated with initiating one. This can be seen to have had a lasting affect on the societal perception of female sexuality for centuries to come.