1. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    Which Bible character would you say most severely got the shaft?

    Here are some candidates:
    Jesus
    Job
    Isaac
    Eve
    Mary
    Joseph
    Jonah
    Pharoah
    Noah
    Moses
    Onan
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    28 Apr '07 02:10
    Job

    Is this a short answer or essay question?
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    Originally posted by reader1107
    Job

    Is this a short answer or essay question?
    May as well make it essay. I don't think anybody is any hurry.
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    (This presupposes that the stories are true)

    I think Job got the most shafted because he was used as a pawn, a toy to prove a point. Satan was allowed to send all sorts of trials and traumas his way just in a game to prove that Job would or would not still be loyal to God and praise and worship him. He wasn't a victim of circumstance or human politics or people making bad choices, but of supernatural events specifically directed at him.

    (more later)
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    28 Apr '07 03:37
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Which Bible character would you say most severely got the shaft?

    Here are some candidates:
    Jesus
    Job
    Isaac
    Eve
    Mary
    Joseph
    Jonah
    Pharoah
    Noah
    Moses
    Onan
    I'm going to say Eve. She was set up by God to take the fall for original sin. Job's afflictions didn't have much effect beyond himself, but Eve continues to unjustly take the rap for the fallen state of all humanity.
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    28 Apr '07 03:40
    Originally posted by rwingett
    I'm going to say Eve. She was set up by God to take the fall for original sin. Job's afflictions didn't have much effect beyond himself, but Eve continues to unjustly take the rap for the fallen state of all humanity.
    she was NOT set up, god showed her free will and she made a bad choice
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    28 Apr '07 03:46
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    she was NOT set up, god showed her free will and she made a bad choice
    Freewill is incompatible with an omniscient and omnipotent god. She was set up. Everything worked out just as god intended from the very beginning.
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    28 Apr '07 03:501 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Freewill is incompatible with an omniscient and omnipotent god. She was set up. Everything worked out just as god intended from the very beginning.
    ok, let me show you what is NOT free will.

    if God were to only show eve all that is good, and she never known evil in her life so she was always a good person then that would not be free will.

    here is free will:

    if God were to show eve good and evil, and let her make her own choices; it was not a set up. he knew what would happen, but he wanted her to have her own choice and she made a bad choice.

    EDIT: what if i knew that you were gonna do something, and five minutes later you did it; does that mean i controlled you and made you do it? no you did it because you wanted to so wtf is this crap about no free will?
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    28 Apr '07 03:55
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    ok, let me show you what is NOT free will.

    if God were to only show eve all that is good, and she never known evil in her life so she was always a good person then that would not be free will.

    here is free will:

    if God were to show eve good and evil, and let her make her own choices; it was not a set up. he knew what would happen, but he wante ...[text shortened]... and made you do it? no you did it because you wanted to so wtf is this crap about no free will?
    This is not the thread to start yet another interminable harangue about freewill. Go start your own thread if you want.
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    28 Apr '07 06:15
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Which Bible character would you say most severely got the shaft?

    Here are some candidates:
    Jesus
    Job
    Isaac
    Eve
    Mary
    Joseph
    Jonah
    Pharoah
    Noah
    Moses
    Onan
    Oh. I thought this was another gay marriage thread...
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    28 Apr '07 06:151 edit
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Which Bible character would you say most severely got the shaft?

    Here are some candidates:
    Jesus
    Job
    Isaac
    Eve
    Mary
    Joseph
    Jonah
    Pharoah
    Noah
    Moses
    Onan
    Mary is said not to have gotten the shaft...
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    28 Apr '07 06:51
    Originally posted by Nemesio
    Mary is said not to have gotten the shaft...
    *Ba da bing*

    Or not. An immaculate conception (I would think) has a conspicuous lack of "shafts."

    So we could say that Mary got the shaft in that she had a pregnancy without ever having the pleasures associated with initiating one. This can be seen to have had a lasting affect on the societal perception of female sexuality for centuries to come.
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    28 Apr '07 11:30
    I'm going to go with Onan. Job had it bad no doubt and he would be my second choice. But he gets his life back and by all accounts lives out a wonderful life with valuable learning about the nature of God and life.

    Onan on the other hand has to provide children for his dead brother to fulfill the Leverite custom. For whatever reason, he spills his seed on the ground and God strikes him dead. Ain't that a bitch! Who's to say she wasn't a big fat ugly heifer.
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    28 Apr '07 12:13
    Originally posted by rwingett
    *Ba da bing*

    Or not. An immaculate conception (I would think) has a conspicuous lack of "shafts."

    So we could say that Mary got the shaft in that she had a pregnancy without ever having the pleasures associated with initiating one. This can be seen to have had a lasting affect on the societal perception of female sexuality for centuries to come.
    Dang, beat me to it. She got the shaft cause she DIDN'T get the shaft.
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    28 Apr '07 12:22
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Dang, beat me to it. She got the shaft cause she DIDN'T get the shaft.
    Onan had the shaft and got the shaft.
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