Originally posted by ZahlanziI don't think you have ever read a single word Jesus ever spoke Zahlanzi. What you posted above isn't what Jesus taught. Prove me wrong and provide the verses quoting Jesus saying not to murder children and that everyone is worthy of love.
"On what basis do you know you are a Christian?"
i follow christ's teachings. you know, the ones that say to NOT murder children and that everyone is worthy of love.
jesus was upset with the merchants in the temple and vented a little (he had a lot on his mind, with his iminent crucifixion). he did a little public vandalism.
the god of the old testament got a little upset with humanity and wiped them out.
see the difference?
"jesus was upset with the merchants in the temple and vented a little (he had a lot on his mind, with his iminent crucifixion). he did a little public vandalism."
"the god of the old testament got a little upset with humanity and wiped them out."
"see the difference?"
Not even remotely similar. Why did Jesus clear the temple, and why did God flood the world?
I bet you don't know! The Bible tells why Zahlanzi. I challenge you to find out what the Bible says about those two things. I don't think you will. I think it's too much for you. I don't think you can bring yourself to actually read it and find out the truth.
More importantly, you should read the Bible and find out the truth about how one becomes a Christian.
Originally posted by josephw"What you posted above isn't what Jesus taught."
I don't think you have ever read a single word Jesus ever spoke Zahlanzi. What you posted above isn't what Jesus taught. Prove me wrong and provide the verses quoting Jesus saying not to murder children and that everyone is worthy of love.
[b]"jesus was upset with the merchants in the temple and vented a little (he had a lot on his mind, with his iminent ...[text shortened]... ntly, you should read the Bible and find out the truth about how one becomes a Christian.
so does that mean jesus thought we SHOULD murder children? or maybe he just let everyone go with their gut feeling on this issue. if you feel like murdering children, well jesus never specifically said not to.
putting mocking you on hold (you deserve to be mocked, at least for this post)
Mathew 19:14
"Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
Mathew 5:44
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
you ask, i complied: proved you wrong.
"Not even remotely similar. Why did Jesus clear the temple, and why did God flood the world?"
because jesus is a nice guy who saw something uncool and didn't overreacted. he reacted to a wrong with a proportional response.
the god of the OT reacted to a wrong with a "dude, wtf is this overreaction". like when he killed everyone in the world, including the innocent, or like when he sent fukin bears (BEARS) to kill some children who mocked eli or elijah (i confuse the two). oo maybe when he condemned the entire human race to suffering because of the actions of adam and eve.
how jesus reacted to wrongs and how god reacts to wrongs (or creates them) proves they cannot both be real. i choose to believe jesus is real. not the god of the OT
"More importantly, you should read the Bible and find out the truth about how one becomes a Christian"
on must follow christ to be a christian. not condone the attrocities of the OT. condoning those is in fact incompatible with christianity
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Originally posted by ZahlanziTo wipe out all those poeple that had only evil on their minds constantly does not seem like an overreaction to me because God refused to condone all the attrocities anymore. After all God did save 8 righteous souls through the flood that showed His goodness, mercy, and justice. 😏
"What you posted above isn't what Jesus taught."
so does that mean jesus thought we SHOULD murder children? or maybe he just let everyone go with their gut feeling on this issue. if you feel like murdering children, well jesus never specifically said not to.
putting mocking you on hold (you deserve to be mocked, at least for this post)
Mathew 19:1 ...[text shortened]... not condone the attrocities of the OT. condoning those is in fact incompatible with christianity
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Originally posted by ZahlanziThere is really something wrong with you.
"What you posted above isn't what Jesus taught."
so does that mean jesus thought we SHOULD murder children? or maybe he just let everyone go with their gut feeling on this issue. if you feel like murdering children, well jesus never specifically said not to.
putting mocking you on hold (you deserve to be mocked, at least for this post)
Mathew 19:1 ...[text shortened]... not condone the attrocities of the OT. condoning those is in fact incompatible with christianity
Talk about completely missing the points Joe was making.
I think I see what's going on here. I'm a liberal, I have a leftist leaning, like you do. But your liberalism is on par with finnegan's liberalism (as evidence here I submit that you both believe God's wrath poured out on the Canaanites and the Amalekites was nothing less than genocide), which usually ends in atheism, as he displays. But you also believe in the risen Christ, and so that means you must cram that square peg in the round hole, no matter how stupid you make your arguments. Because you find it utterly impossible to give up your leftist views at ANY point in the conversation, and so God MUST be a homicidal maniac, but still, you believe in Christ, and so HIS Father MUST be a different guy than the "homicidal maniac" of the OT.
Why not take the more measured view that God was just in his righteous wrath against the Canaanites and the Amalekites? No, that conflicts with your pigeon-holed view that God MUST be guilty of genocide, because such acts by man would be called genocide. Why must you always be comparing sinless, righteous God with sinful, selfish man? Why can't you see that these are apples and oranges?
I'm with Joe. You need to step back and take another look at exactly how and why one becomes a Christian.
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Originally posted by ZahlanziLet me ask you just one question.
the god of the OT reacted to a wrong with a "dude, wtf is this overreaction". like when he killed everyone in the world, including the innocent, or like when he sent fukin bears (BEARS) to kill some children who mocked eli or elijah (i confuse the two). oo maybe when he condemned the entire human race to suffering because of the actions of adam and eve.
WHY, do you think, did God send his only begotten Son to earth to die on the cross?
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Originally posted by Suzianne
There is really something wrong with you.
Talk about completely missing the points Joe was making.
I think I see what's going on here. I'm a liberal, I have a leftist leaning, like you do. But your liberalism is on par with finnegan's liberalism (as evidence here I submit that you both believe God's wrath poured out on the Canaanites and the Amaleki ...[text shortened]... u need to step back and take another look at exactly how and why one becomes a Christian.
No, that conflicts with your pigeon-holed view that God MUST be guilty of genocide, because such acts by man would be called genocide.
Usually when we atheists try to make the point that the theist position goes like ...
1) Evil, horrible, grotesque, cruel, unmeasured action if committed by man is evil, horrible, grotesque, cruel, and unmeasured
2) Evil, horrible, grotesque, cruel, unmeasured action if committed by God is awesome, virtuous, loving, merciful, righteous.
there is an eerie silence on the part of the theists. but here you are making that point for us quite blatantly, so thanks for that :]
Now please just stand back for a moment, rub your chin with theatrical contemplation, pace slowly around the room muttering to yourself for a while, stop with raised pointed hand, and then continue with shaking head and more muttering ... then come to a full stop with ghostly complexion and then stare at the walls in horror at your discovery that what you always thought was sensible is instead a total, and utter fustercluck.
It will be painful now but you will thank me once you come to terms with it all 🙂
Originally posted by AgergYou're putting the judgement before the horse, you know, so to speak.No, that conflicts with your pigeon-holed view that God MUST be guilty of genocide, because such acts by man would be called genocide.
Usually when we atheists try to make the point that the theist position goes like ...
[i]1) Evil, horrible, grotesque, cruel, unmeasured action if committed by man is evil, horrible, grotesque, cruel, and u ...[text shortened]... stercluck.
It will be painful now but you will thank me once you come to terms with it all 🙂
Calling an action an evil, horrible, grotesque, cruel, unmeasured action is pre-judging it. Especially if done before noting who you are talking about. Here, let me try the right way.
The wrath of man is often evil, horrible, grotesque, cruel and unmeasured.
The wrath of God is just and righteous.
See, two different things are being spoken of here. In your example, statement 1 is true and self-evident. Statement 2 is just not possible. God would never commit an "evil, horrible, grotesque, cruel, unmeasured action".
Have you ever heard "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."? **
Wrath is a dangerous thing, fraught with hate as it is. Avenging oneself lays one open to sin. This is why we are cautioned against it. This cannot happen to God, He can pay out his vengeance without sin. This one passage in Romans explains it.
** Romans 12:19, KJV