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    God is more important? Or is humanity more important?

    Author :Chang Kai-Chi

    Logical speculation exercises

    Of course, God is more important! Stupid!

    No god, Then there will be humans?

    Because God created people, And create everything in the universe to feed people。

    And God is everywhere;omniscient;omnipotent!

    Protect humans anytime anywhere, So people can live a safe and prosperous life.

    So, of course, God is more important!

    Ok! So,Think of this as the standard answer for all those who believe that "God is more important."

    Three-quarters of the world’s people believe in religion, that is, believe in the existence of God.

    And unanimously believe that "God is more important"!

    No matter what kind of god you believe in,Because this is not the point.

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    OK! Then, think of this as the standard answer for all those who believe that "God is more important."

    OK! that means there is still a quarter of not believing in religion,Of course,whether it is "atheism", "skepticism" or "agnosticism",In short, this quarter of people do not believe in God.

    Then, one day, the most important thing happened to mankind.Anyone who believes in religion and believes in God has been led by a god of their own faith to a beautiful paradise.

    Only 1/4 of the earth does not believe in God at all.Then, at this time, God is more important? Or is humanity more important?

    Of course, people are more important! Right?

    So, at this time, there is no relationship with God.Anyway, people continue to live the same way,No better, no worse.

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    Then if the asteroid hits the earth at this time,All earth creatures,Including humans,All extinct,Everything becomes silent.

    No one,Then God is more important? Or is humanity more important?

    still is God is more important?

    What is a person?What is God?

    Even this issue has no meaning at all.

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    Then God is more important? Or is humanity more important?

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/2260704707486729/

    http://www.cwnp.net/thread-13953-1-1.html
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    @wsay123000 said
    God is more important? Or is humanity more important?

    Author :Chang Kai-Chi

    Logical speculation exercises

    Of course, God is more important! Stupid!

    No god, Then there will be humans?

    Because God created people, And create everything in the universe to feed people。

    And God is everywhere;omniscient;omnipotent!

    Protect humans anytime anywhere, So people ...[text shortened]... ?

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/2260704707486729/

    http://www.cwnp.net/thread-13953-1-1.html
    WAFCOS
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    07 Oct '18 21:21
    @wsay123000 said
    God is more important? Or is humanity more important?

    Author :Chang Kai-Chi

    Logical speculation exercises

    Of course, God is more important! Stupid!

    No god, Then there will be humans?

    Because God created people, And create everything in the universe to feed people。

    And God is everywhere;omniscient;omnipotent!

    Protect humans anytime anywhere, So people ...[text shortened]... ?

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/2260704707486729/

    http://www.cwnp.net/thread-13953-1-1.html
    Its important to live your own life and to abide by the core values of spirituality which are the same at the core of most religions.
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    God is the ground of all being. What could be more necessary then this?

    " ... God whom he [Abraham] believed, who gives life to the dead and calls the things not being as being." (Rom. 4:17b)


    God is the uncreated and eternal life, the "Person" above which a higher person is impossible.

    But there is something else. God united with man - God-man is vitally important to this uncreated and self-existing One. Before God called the universe into being He had a plan. And that is to create a creature with whom He could mingle, unite, and be blended.

    Based upon this eternal purpose then, He called into being the universe with billions of items.
    Then in the course of time He incarnated as God-man, the Lord Jesus Christ. This God-man is the Head of the pinnacle of creation - the sons of God saved through His salvation.
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    This verse shows that before God laid the foundation of the world, ie. called the universe into being, He had in His heart to have many sons (sons not meaning male but the SAME life and nature).

    "Even as He chose us in Him [Christ] before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blemish before Him in love,

    Predestinating us unto sonship through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will." (Eph. 1:4,5)


    This means that first God had a desire in His heart.
    Based then upon this desire to have many sons and daughters (2 Cor. 6:18) sharing His life and nature, He called into being the universe. The unique Godhead is His and is a non-communicable attribute of God.
    But all His communicable attributes He plans to dispense into His creature humans that they may be duplications of Christ the Firstborn Son of God.

    He marked out the destiny of those who are joined to Christ by choosing Christ. In Him their destiny is "sonship", to be before the Father sharing His holy nature, without any foreign blemish or offending element.
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    This is the will of the Uncreated One Who is the Most High and the ground of all being. This verse shows that because of His will He created all things.

    "You are worthy our Lord and God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, for You have created all things, and because of Your will they were and were created." (Rev. 5:11)


    Next to God then God-man is more most important. God united with man is why the universe exists.
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    08 Oct '18 12:201 edit
    Then, one day, the most important thing happened to mankind.Anyone who believes in religion and believes in God has been led by a god of their own faith to a beautiful paradise.

    Only 1/4 of the earth does not believe in God at all.Then, at this time, God is more important? Or is humanity more important?

    Of course, people are more important! Right?

    So, at this time, there is no relationship with God.Anyway, people continue to live the same way,No better, no worse.


    The mistake in this reasoning from a Bible perspective is that God is not taking people AWAY to a happy place.
    The prayer says "Thy kingdom COME" and not "Thy kingdom GO."

    You may have heard all your life about people "going to Heaven". But you cannot find in the Bible a clear word saying God wants people to live in Heaven forever. You do have either His saints reigning on the earth forever or Heaven seeming to come DOWN to the earth.

    God having to take people away from the planet forever would be a defeat for God.
    God causing His saints to inherit the earth forever would be His kingdom COMING "on earth as it is in heaven."

    In the next post I'll show you important passages about the future of the earth and universe.
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    Then, one day, the most important thing happened to mankind.Anyone who believes in religion and believes in God has been led by a god of their own faith to a beautiful paradise.

    Only 1/4 of the earth does not believe in God at all.Then, at this time, God is more important? Or is humanity more important?

    Of course, people are more important! Right?


    The place the saints of God will inherit is THE EARTH.
    "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." (Matt. 5:5)


    Any going to a heavenly realm is followed by them coming back with Christ to reign on the earth.
    "And have made them a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign on the earth." (Rev. 5:10)


    The climax of human history ends with "new heavens and a new earth" in which righteousness dwells.
    But according to His promise we are expecting new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells." (2 Peter 3:13)


    John prophetically saw into the future and witnessed a new heaven and earth.
    "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and the sea is no more.

    And I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Rev. 21:1,2)


    So you see there is no future of God's saints being everlastingly AWAY from the earth, as if the earth is left over to unbelievers to inherit. You'll have to correct your concept in viewing it from a Christian perspective.
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    As you can see the Bible comes to a close with a MARRIAGE signifying the union of God-man Christ and His Wife New Jerusalem the holy city.

    It is hard to say which is more important in a happy marriage - the Bridegroom or the Bride. They are a couple. The COUPLE is most important.

    Now here are two songs I wrote on soundcloud.

    1.) about the new heaven and new earth in which righteousness dwells.

    2.) about the New Jerusalem city as a Wife of the Lamb the God-man Redeemer.

    1.) https://soundcloud.com/jack-wilmore/expecting-and-hastening-2-pet-312

    2.) https://soundcloud.com/jack-wilmore/and-he-carried-me-away-rev-2110-14
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    We are an infinitely important creation to God.

    My Bishop said that even if there was just a single human being, and nobody else, God would have sent Christ to Earth to save them.

    This is an important lesson.

    A single human being is infinitely important, and is the joy of God.

    It is wrong to ask what is more important... Of course, metaphysically speaking, and objectively speaking, God is "more important." Ontologically, He comes First.

    But God's Will is perfect & supreme, and God willed you into existence. He created the Universe ex nihilo, and you are the crowning jewel just as much as any of the Saints.
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    @philokalia said
    We are an infinitely important creation to God.

    My Bishop said that even if there was just a single human being, and nobody else, God would have sent Christ to Earth to save them.

    This is an important lesson.

    A single human being is infinitely important, and is the joy of God.

    It is wrong to ask what is more important... Of course, metaphysically spe ...[text shortened]... He created the Universe ex nihilo, and you are the crowning jewel just as much as any of the Saints.
    If a guy gets falsely accused and sentenced of a crime, goes to prison, gets beat up and anally raped, doesn't seem like he's so important to God. Nor does that sound like the perfect will of God.

    We need to get real with this, and look at real life. God's absence in human affairs is serious.

    (Don't blame free will, it's a weak argument)
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    If a guy gets falsely accused and sentenced of a crime, goes to prison, gets beat up and anally raped, doesn't seem like he's so important to God.


    If God was only the God of people who were all their life treated nicely and well, He would not be much of a God.

    Perhaps you never read about Abel, Jacob, Job, Rehab, Ruth, Jeremiah, Paul indeed Christ Himself.
    Perhaps you never read the story of Joseph.
    Perhaps you never read of the mistreatment of David.

    There are 150 some Psalms.
    Perhaps you never noticed that quite a number of these have to do with someone being treated like dirt undeservingly.

    Perhaps you have read no autobiographies of Christians who came to know God through being treated like DIRT.

    If God could not be the God of those who were raped then He would not be too much of a God.
    Now matter how LOW you may go UNDERNEATH you is one Jesus Who was God Himself, become a man, treated worst that dirt.


    Nor does that sound like the perfect will of God.


    No one said it was the perfect will of God. But because of this misfortune the man or woman may not MISS the perfect will of God.


    We need to get real with this, and look at real life. God's absence in human affairs is serious.


    He is not absent.


    (Don't blame free will, it's a weak argument)


    Misfortune, trial, problems, mistreatment can also be a weak argument for atheism.

    "God would only love those who have no misfortune. The raped man, the imprisoned man, the oppressed man, the murdered man, etc. etc. he or she has to miss out."

    That is not a strong argument in light of history, in light of the word of God.
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    @sonship said
    If a guy gets falsely accused and sentenced of a crime, goes to prison, gets beat up and anally raped, doesn't seem like he's so important to God.


    If God was only the God of people who were all their life treated nicely and well, He would not be much of a God.

    Perhaps you never read about Abel, Jacob, Job, Rehab, Ruth, Jeremiah, Paul indeed [b] ...[text shortened]... miss out." [/i]

    That is not a strong argument in light of history, in light of the word of God.
    I was responding to the statement "we are an infinitely important creation of God".

    Maybe....but not while on earth?
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    I am persuaded that God intimately cares for us. Jesus said the hairs on our head were numbered. Can you imagine plucking out a single hair from your scalp and God knows the precise number of it among hundreds of thousands.

    "But even the hairs f your head have all been numbered. Do not be afraid, you are of more value than many sparrows." (Luke 12:7)


    And this is just the PHYSICAL body.
    How much more His intimate care for the psychological and spiritual part of women and men.

    Look, when the Bible says that with God a throusand years is like one day, it also says one day is like a thousand years. This means to me that when a moment goes by in my soul, God the Almighty is intimately knowledgeable about every micro second. In the twinkling of an eye it takes you to be tempted by sin, before God the brief snap moment is laid out before Him like a whole month. Every minute process in your mind, emotion, and will He is a master of.

    Look, we NEED a Friend like this. He can carry us from moment to moment when we are suffering.
    He can support us from millisecond to millisecond dispensing Christ into us as we trust Him.

    God alone, God alone is able to transcendantly engineer ALL THINGS to the the good upon the human who puts trusts in Christ.

    "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." (Rom. 8:28)


    A Prayer:

    " Lord Jesus, I was raped in prison. Lord Jesus, only You can know the full humiliation and wound upon my soul. But Lord Jesus, I hold you to Your word. Lord You are able to cause ALL THINGS to work together for good to those who are called according to You purpose.

    Lord Jesus, I place this misfortune before you and lay it before Your sovereign throne. O God, O my Lord and Savior transform this hell into what works for good according to Your great transcendent nature over all time and all the universe. You can cause all things to work together for good to those called according to Your eternal purpose.

    Lord Jesus, the crucified and resurrected One - for my soul, I thank you beforehand. Thankyou Lord Jesus. Amen."
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    @chaney3 said
    If a guy gets falsely accused and sentenced of a crime, goes to prison, gets beat up and anally raped, doesn't seem like he's so important to God. Nor does that sound like the perfect will of God.

    We need to get real with this, and look at real life. God's absence in human affairs is serious.

    (Don't blame free will, it's a weak argument)
    This is literally incomprehensible.

    Terrible post.
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