1. Standard memberSeitse
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    02 Apr '11 10:59
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/God-Not-One-Eight-Religions/dp/0061571288/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1301741733&sr=8-2

    Have you read it?

    I truly NOT recommend it. It is pa-the-tic how the author "compares"
    the religions in an unbalanced manner, appeasing those which is
    politically incorrect to analyze (let alone criticize) and drops jokes
    here and there when mock-analyzing Christianity.

    Of course, since Christians don't throw stones and burn embassies
    when Jesus is mocked, it is o.k. to have fun with them.
  2. Donationrwingett
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    02 Apr '11 15:03
    Originally posted by Seitse
    [bOf course, since Christians don't throw stones and burn embassies
    when Jesus is mocked, it is o.k. to have fun with them.[/b]
    They used to. And they'd do so again if they thought they could get away with it.
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    02 Apr '11 17:56
    Originally posted by rwingett
    They used to. And they'd do so again if they thought they could get away with it.
    No they wouldn't. They have evolved and understood
    that behaving well while others mock their beliefs
    is the price they have to pay to enjoy freedom in a
    developed, plural society.

    Others are the ones who wish to live as if it was the 7th century.
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    02 Apr '11 18:09
    Originally posted by Seitse
    No they wouldn't. They have [b]evolved and understood
    that behaving well while others mock their beliefs
    is the price they have to pay to enjoy freedom in a
    developed, plural society.

    Others are the ones who wish to live as if it was the 7th century.[/b]
    You've hit the nail on the head, although not as you think.

    Christianity has had longer to evolve than Islam. Now ask yourself were Christians the fun loving tolerant type 500yrs ago?
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    02 Apr '11 18:37
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    You've hit the nail on the head, although not as you think.

    Christianity has had longer to evolve than Islam. Now ask yourself were Christians the fun loving tolerant type 500yrs ago?
    Now ask yourself: shouldn't Muslims evolve there in their
    Arabian desert instead of trying to do it (and impose it on
    us) in Paris, Berlin, Stockholm, or Madrid?
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    02 Apr '11 18:501 edit
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Now ask yourself: shouldn't Muslims evolve there in their
    Arabian desert instead of trying to do it (and impose it on
    us) in Paris, Berlin, Stockholm, or Madrid?
    I reckon the indigenous people of the Americas felt the same way about the Christians.
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    02 Apr '11 21:04
    Originally posted by Seitse
    No they wouldn't. They have [b]evolved and understood
    that behaving well while others mock their beliefs
    is the price they have to pay to enjoy freedom in a
    developed, plural society.

    Others are the ones who wish to live as if it was the 7th century.[/b]
    I disagree. While individual Christians may have evolved, it is because they now view their religion through the prism of the enlightenment. They no longer take their religion straight up, as Muslims still tend to do. If the moderating influence of enlightenment thought were to be weakened, then you'd see a corresponding increase in Christian intolerance. Absolutist religions, like Christianity, will tend toward the maximum level of intolerance that society will allow.
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    02 Apr '11 22:03
    Originally posted by rwingett
    I disagree. While individual Christians may have evolved, it is because they now view their religion through the prism of the enlightenment. They no longer take their religion straight up, as Muslims still tend to do. If the moderating influence of enlightenment thought were to be weakened, then you'd see a corresponding increase in Christian intolerance. A ...[text shortened]... , like Christianity, will tend toward the maximum level of intolerance that society will allow.
    Tosh, there have always been moderating forces in Christianity.
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    02 Apr '11 22:20
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    You've hit the nail on the head, although not as you think.

    Christianity has had longer to evolve than Islam. Now ask yourself were Christians the fun loving tolerant type 500yrs ago?
    Longer to evolve? If memory serves, Christianity began with its members being "thrown to the lions" in a wide variety of imaginitive ways without them so much as making a peep in protest or raising a sword. Then came Constantine......

    After theocracies became taboo, Christianity once again returned to a peaceful religion. So tell us, how did Islam begin? Were they docile adherants as they were "thrown to the lions"? It seems to me they have picked up the sword from day one and never stopped swinging.

    I will say this, however, Islam was much more tolerant than Christiandom during the Christian theocracy stage. It seems that Islam has not learned from the failed theocratic phase of Christianity, which helps explain its continued violence and intolerance.
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    02 Apr '11 22:48
    Originally posted by rwingett
    They no longer take their religion straight up, as Muslims still tend to do.
    Many of them do. The difference is that Jesus preached
    about love, while Muhammad preached about war, hate
    and deceit.

    Nowadays when you get a crazy killer who happens to
    justify a hideous act with the Bible, it is usually a twisted
    and ridiculous justification. When a Muslim does... oh my,
    the Sura or the hadith happen to fit perfectly with the
    act, lol
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    03 Apr '11 00:08
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Many of them do. The difference is that Jesus preached
    about love, while Muhammad preached about war, hate
    and deceit.

    Nowadays when you get a crazy killer who happens to
    justify a hideous act with the Bible, it is usually a twisted
    and ridiculous justification. When a Muslim does... oh my,
    the Sura or the hadith happen to fit perfectly with the
    act, lol
    Do you think what Jesus said makes any real difference on how most Christians behave?
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    03 Apr '11 00:24
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Many of them do. The difference is that Jesus preached
    about love, while Muhammad preached about war, hate
    and deceit.

    Nowadays when you get a crazy killer who happens to
    justify a hideous act with the Bible, it is usually a twisted
    and ridiculous justification. When a Muslim does... oh my,
    the Sura or the hadith happen to fit perfectly with the
    act, lol
    Ah yes, the points made so well by Pastor Jones. Shame about the predictable deaths of UN workers in Afghanistan as a direct result.

    What you say about the Qu'ran and about Muhammad is false. More importantly, since you have shown your immunity to reasoned debate, what you are actually engaged in (as is Pastor Jones) is a racist spouting of islamaphobia. It can only provoke anger and frustration. Quite where you are expecting some 1.2 billion Muslims to go in the face of this persistent abuse from the West is something I would be interested to hear you admit. You offer precisely nothing of value to any debate worth entering. Yours is the type of voice that is heard around pogroms.

    Your posts are not invitations to debate, they are opinionated and ignorant beyond rescue.
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    03 Apr '11 03:28
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Do you think what Jesus said makes any real difference on how most Christians behave?
    It does if you are actually trying to follow him.
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    03 Apr '11 03:35
    Originally posted by finnegan
    [b]Ah yes, the points made so well by Pastor Jones. Shame about the predictable deaths of UN workers in Afghanistan as a direct result.
    No doubt, after the rant by Seitse even more riots and deaths have occured.

    One thing the Bible teaches that the Koran does not is that God loves those that hate him. Christ said to love your enemies and do good to those that despitefully use you and persecute you. Instead, the Koran teaches that Allah hates those that oppose him. And so it goes, when enemies of Allah spring up, they are to be treated accordingly. As Christ rightfully said, to love those who love you is easy. In fact, even sinners do so.....usually. However, to love those who hate you is a supernatural kind of love. It simply does not come naturally to us whatsoever.
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    03 Apr '11 08:02
    Originally posted by finnegan
    racist spouting of islamaphobia
    Ah, how refreshing, the robotic mantra of the PC lobby.

    Newsflash! Islam is not a race, lol 😉

    Clown.
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