Originally posted by JS357 Who requires that belief of you?
Only some atheists who want us to believe the universe created itself. But then they realize how foolish the thought is and grin at us that they would NEVER suggest such a thing. Perish the thought !
Originally posted by jaywill Only some atheists who want us to believe the universe created itself. But then they realize how foolish the thought is and grin at us that they would NEVER suggest such a thing. Perish the thought !
There's a few of them out there.
I've never heard anybody claim that the universe created itself. Nice strawman.
Originally posted by jaywill Only some atheists who want us to believe the universe created itself. But then they realize how foolish the thought is and grin at us that they would NEVER suggest such a thing. Perish the thought !
There's a few of them out there.
Well then Menace (if you speak accurately for him) can readily reject the atheists position and can lack belief in God without having to believe that everything came from nothing or created itself. In fact there are scholarly articles on pre-Big Bang physics starting to be published, so these atheists preaching such things are a bit out of touch, aren't they?
(I am using words that reflect how he said it, rather than words that reflect how you said it.)
I think there are other reasons that many theists do not want to reject belief in God, so I am not at this time sure that you are accurately or fully representing Menace's issues. To their thinking, a universe without God lacks meaning, and a universe without God lacks a moral foundation. I personally see these to be more important issues for the theist than whether a universe without God lacks an explanation of its origin.
Originally posted by RJHinds Your idea that "nothing created the universe" is just as stupid. 🙄
whose idea is that? we humans don't know what created the universe or how the universe was created. we are working on answering those questions and many more.
your religion has nothing to offer concerning those questions; no evidence, no theory. just bat guano crazy stories collected from various mythologies and bandaged together to form an incoherent fairy tale.
Originally posted by avalanchethecat I've never heard anybody claim that the universe created itself. Nice strawman.
he's referring to the rational discourse; in reply the fiat declaration that god created the universe and that god is a special exception that has always existed; the rational response to that nonsense is to counter with taking god out of the equation and stating that the universe has always existed.
this argument is not meant to be taken seriously, it's only meant to reveal the absurdity of the theological argument, and that it does adequately so that we can back to unraveling the real secrets of the universe while the theologists trip over themselves attempting to comprehend the context of that argument.
Originally posted by VoidSpirit whose idea is that? we humans don't know what created the universe or how the universe was created. we are working on answering those questions and many more.
your religion has nothing to offer concerning those questions; no evidence, no theory. just bat guano crazy stories collected from various mythologies and bandaged together to form an incoherent fairy tale.
Some of us know that the universe was created by a supreme being we call God and He created everything in it in 6 days. All it takes to know this is the power of belief and faith. It is all very simple and there is no need to work on this question anymore.
Originally posted by whodey All I can tell you is that He is right behind ya.............made ya look!! It seems that I failed to mention that you can't see him either. 😛
Originally posted by RJHinds Some of us know that the universe was created by a supreme being we call God and He created everything in it in 6 days. All it takes to know this is the power of belief and faith. It is all very simple and there is no need to work on this question anymore.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
i don't accept that you know anything of the sort. if you do know it, you must be able to demonstrate your knowledge. so far you've demonstrated the opposite; you've failed on biblical knowledge and you've failed on historical knowledge.
Originally posted by VoidSpirit i don't accept that you know anything of the sort. if you do know it, you must be able to demonstrate your knowledge. so far you've demonstrated the opposite; you've failed on biblical knowledge and you've failed on historical knowledge.
I am not obliged to pass your tests. Christ is the only one that will judge whether or not we pass the only test that counts. I predict you will fail the test of life, if you keep on your present course.
Originally posted by RJHinds I am not obliged to pass your tests. Christ is the only one that will judge whether or not we pass the only test that counts. I predict you will fail the test of life, if you keep on your present course.
you've already failed my tests. i doubt christ will be judging anyone. he has not demonstrated any ability to be a judge. all he has managed to demonstrated is that he is a failure, like yourself.
Originally posted by VoidSpirit you've already failed my tests. i doubt christ will be judging anyone. he has not demonstrated any ability to be a judge. all he has managed to demonstrated is that he is a failure, like yourself.
Like I said, your test is worthless and counts for nothing. The Holy Bible says the Son of God is the judging authority over man.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
Originally posted by RJHinds Like I said, your test is worthless and counts for nothing. The Holy Bible says the Son of God is the judging authority over man.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
actually my tests demonstrate the state of reality. all your bible demonstrates is fictitious nonsense.
God
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