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Originally posted by JS357Only some atheists who want us to believe the universe created itself. But then they realize how foolish the thought is and grin at us that they would NEVER suggest such a thing. Perish the thought !
Who requires that belief of you?
There's a few of them out there.
Originally posted by jaywillI've never heard anybody claim that the universe created itself. Nice strawman.
Only some atheists who want us to believe the universe created itself. But then they realize how foolish the thought is and grin at us that they would NEVER suggest such a thing. Perish the thought !
There's a few of them out there.
Originally posted by jaywillWell then Menace (if you speak accurately for him) can readily reject the atheists position and can lack belief in God without having to believe that everything came from nothing or created itself. In fact there are scholarly articles on pre-Big Bang physics starting to be published, so these atheists preaching such things are a bit out of touch, aren't they?
Only some atheists who want us to believe the universe created itself. But then they realize how foolish the thought is and grin at us that they would NEVER suggest such a thing. Perish the thought !
There's a few of them out there.
(I am using words that reflect how he said it, rather than words that reflect how you said it.)
I think there are other reasons that many theists do not want to reject belief in God, so I am not at this time sure that you are accurately or fully representing Menace's issues. To their thinking, a universe without God lacks meaning, and a universe without God lacks a moral foundation. I personally see these to be more important issues for the theist than whether a universe without God lacks an explanation of its origin.
Originally posted by RJHindswhose idea is that? we humans don't know what created the universe or how the universe was created. we are working on answering those questions and many more.
Your idea that "nothing created the universe" is just as stupid. 🙄
your religion has nothing to offer concerning those questions; no evidence, no theory. just bat guano crazy stories collected from various mythologies and bandaged together to form an incoherent fairy tale.
Originally posted by avalanchethecathe's referring to the rational discourse; in reply the fiat declaration that god created the universe and that god is a special exception that has always existed; the rational response to that nonsense is to counter with taking god out of the equation and stating that the universe has always existed.
I've never heard anybody claim that the universe created itself. Nice strawman.
this argument is not meant to be taken seriously, it's only meant to reveal the absurdity of the theological argument, and that it does adequately so that we can back to unraveling the real secrets of the universe while the theologists trip over themselves attempting to comprehend the context of that argument.
Originally posted by karoly aczelAll I can tell you is that He is right behind ya.............made ya look!! It seems that I failed to mention that you can't see him either. 😛
Point blank question: Do you believe in "God" (with a big "g" ) in any way shape or form?
I do, but my concepts of "God" do not seem to coincide with any other posters here except maybe a few who seem to deny the existence of "God".
I feel I am all alone in my beliefs and yet no one can come close to explaining to me why I am wrong.
But lets just keep it simple to start with, eh?
Originally posted by VoidSpiritSome of us know that the universe was created by a supreme being we call God and He created everything in it in 6 days. All it takes to know this is the power of belief and faith. It is all very simple and there is no need to work on this question anymore.
whose idea is that? we humans don't know what created the universe or how the universe was created. we are working on answering those questions and many more.
your religion has nothing to offer concerning those questions; no evidence, no theory. just bat guano crazy stories collected from various mythologies and bandaged together to form an incoherent fairy tale.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
Originally posted by RJHindsi don't accept that you know anything of the sort. if you do know it, you must be able to demonstrate your knowledge. so far you've demonstrated the opposite; you've failed on biblical knowledge and you've failed on historical knowledge.
Some of us know that the universe was created by a supreme being we call God and He created everything in it in 6 days. All it takes to know this is the power of belief and faith. It is all very simple and there is no need to work on this question anymore.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
Originally posted by VoidSpiritI am not obliged to pass your tests. Christ is the only one that will judge whether or not we pass the only test that counts. I predict you will fail the test of life, if you keep on your present course.
i don't accept that you know anything of the sort. if you do know it, you must be able to demonstrate your knowledge. so far you've demonstrated the opposite; you've failed on biblical knowledge and you've failed on historical knowledge.
Originally posted by RJHindsyou've already failed my tests. i doubt christ will be judging anyone. he has not demonstrated any ability to be a judge. all he has managed to demonstrated is that he is a failure, like yourself.
I am not obliged to pass your tests. Christ is the only one that will judge whether or not we pass the only test that counts. I predict you will fail the test of life, if you keep on your present course.
Originally posted by VoidSpiritLike I said, your test is worthless and counts for nothing. The Holy Bible says the Son of God is the judging authority over man.
you've already failed my tests. i doubt christ will be judging anyone. he has not demonstrated any ability to be a judge. all he has managed to demonstrated is that he is a failure, like yourself.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!