Originally posted by stellspalfie
im not sure i agree with you there, although the users mentioned can all make intelligent and articulate points the majority will tend to post and run. like some sort of christian guerrilla warfare. so far i think your the only one (for me) that has traded opinion for opinion without trying to change the subject or getting defensive. which is not bad considering the amount of annoying questions i hurl in your direction.
im not sure i agree with you there, although the users mentioned can all make intelligent and articulate points the majority will tend to post and run. like some sort of christian guerrilla warfare. so far i think your the only one (for me) that has traded opinion for opinion without trying to change the subject or getting defensive. which is not bad considering the amount of annoying questions i hurl in your direction.
Don't expect Christians to sit with you and hold your hand indefinitely, forever, from now on, while you hunker down into your position of unbelief taunting and challenging "But you haven't convinced me yet."
If that seems like post and run to you from me, it will just have to appear that way.
To touch God, to contact God,
eventually you should pray to God. You have to use the right organ to substantiate the reality of God. And that right organ is your comatose and deadened human spirit. You have to excercise your own human spirit to pray.
Even if you overpower you with logic SO strong that you are left crumbling in a corner under the sheer weight of inescapable rational argument (lol, like that's going to happen) if you do not finally reach out to Christ the
PERSON in prayer, I don't know what good argument has done.
An illustration - A man is on a desert island. He is very hungry. You bring to him two things:
1.) A meal
2.) A menu
Now you can argue about the menu until you are blue in the face. If the man does not at some point put the meal in his mouth, bight, chew, taste, swallow, digest, etc no amount of discussing the menu will feed his stomach.
If the chemical analysis of that meal is presented with 600 pages discribing every part of that meal in all its molecular components, and the man does not
EAT, he will remain unfed.
To hear music you have to use your ears. If you try to use your tongue, you will not get the music because you are using the wrong organ.
To see a colorful picture you cannot stick it into your ears. You have to approach it with the correct organ - the eyes.
There is a part of your being which can taste, touch, reach out and contact Jesus Christ. That is your human spirit. And you have to pray. You cannot touch God directly with your mind. You can touch God directly with your praying spirit.
I did not say the mind is of no use. I said you cannot touch God directly with your mind.
So, speaking for myself, I know my limitations. And eventually I know if the person is not willing to pray to touch Jesus Christ, he will not experience God. I know this coming to Christ can take years for some. But I cannot pray for you (as you). I cannot confess I am a sinner for you. I cannot ask the faithful Christ to come into my heart according to His reliable promise, for you. And I cannot sit with you forever and make you believe.
Now if that looks to you like weakly hit and run, guerilla warefare, it will just have to look that way. Discussion can be very interesting. It can also be self defeating if the more one talks the less he want to privately reach out in prayer to have a talk with Jesus.
So stellspalfie, maybe you won this argument. Maybe you won a lot of arguments. If you win
every argument and get saved through faith in Jesus Christ, I am overjoyed.
Now, did I mention that on the THIRD DAY .... on the THIRD DAY ... Jesus rose from the dead ?
"The last Adam became a life giving Spirit". As life giving Spirit this Jesus can come into our kernel, our innermost being.