God's sovereign election

Originally posted by @kellyjay
I'm sorry, but has Judas to do with this passage?

Verse 24 Jesus was only here for His sheep.

Originally posted by @rbhill
My parents have been friends with Lebanese people for about 35 years. Awesome people and the music and food is good as well.

Well, let me ask you this, then, if you don't mind my asking.

Knowing what you know about them through personal experience, how do you feel about the very real probability that they are descended from the Canaanites?

Originally posted by @suzianne
As well as he should, maybe.

OSAS is not even what this passage is about.

Mostly this passage comes up on Mother's Day as a testimony to the tenacity of a mother trying to help her child.

I prefer the Wife of Noble Character myself.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Well, let me ask you this, then, if you don't mind my asking.

Knowing what you know about them through personal experience, how do you feel about the very real probability that they are descended from the Canaanites?

That would be interesting. My dad is into all that ancestry and telomeres. So I will see if he will ever talk to them about it.

Originally posted by @rbhill
My parents have been friends with Lebanese people for about 35 years. Awesome people and the music and food is good as well.

I once had dinner in a Lebanese restaurant in Saudi Arabia, the food was astonishingly good.
What made the experience even more enjoyable was the women having to eat in a separate room.

😉😵😛

Originally posted by @rbhill
O.S.A.S. is true. Judas was never elected by God.

Matthew 15:21-28

The Faith of a Canaanite Woman

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not an ...[text shortened]... man, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

Are you not the same guy who once used this passage :

... rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:20 KJV)

To prove that the names of all Christians are written in heaven?

The truth is that there are many who are eternally saved.
Not all who profess to be Christian fall into this group.

Originally posted by @divegeester
I prefer the Wife of Noble Character myself.

Who named it that?

We know she's a mother, we don't necessarily know that she is a wife. Her husband is never mentioned, and yet, someone along the line had to go and make sure a man was mentioned in a story that has nothing to do with a man. Like it or not, a mother is a higher calling than a wife. Anyone can be a wife, not everyone can be a mother. The story is about a mother getting help for her daughter; if she is a wife, it's a secondary consideration at best.

Here's a reality check. If the person had been a father getting help for his child, would the story be called the Husband of Noble Character?

Originally posted by @suzianne
Who named it that?

We know she's a mother, we don't necessarily know that she is a wife. Her husband is never mentioned, and yet, someone along the line had to go and make sure a man was mentioned in a story that has nothing to do with a man. Like it or not, a mother is a higher calling than a wife. Anyone can be a wife, not everyone can be a mother. ...[text shortened]... n a father getting help for his child, would the story be called the Husband of Noble Character?

Your lack of Bible knowledge about powerful, noble women disappoints me Suzianne.

This is one of my favourite Bible passages.

Proverbs 31:10-3 (NIV)
Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character

10 A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11 Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
12 She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
13 She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.
14 She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.
15 She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17 She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.
18 She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.
19 In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.
20 She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.
21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.
22 She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is respected at the city gate,
where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
and supplies the merchants with sashes.
25 She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.
26 She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
27 She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all.”
30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
31 Honor her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Your lack of Bible knowledge about powerful, noble women disappoints me Suzianne.

This is one of my favourite Bible passages.

Proverbs 31:10-3 (NIV)
Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character

10 A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11 Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of valu ...[text shortened]... her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.

One of mine as well.
Although these women generally are not attracted to men who dont measure up to their high standard, as the passage appear to suggest.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Are you not the same guy who once used this passage :

... rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:20 KJV)

To prove that the names of all Christians are written in heaven?

The truth is that there are many who are eternally saved.
Not all who profess to be Christian fall into this group.

News Flash: He's a Calvinist, so.... yeah. According to them, everyone is predestined, either for salvation or damnation.

Clue Just for You: And since he's a Calvinist, I'm pretty sure he understands that just "saying" you're predestined for salvation doesn't necessarily make it so. You, on the other hand, seem to think this is some kind of new revelation for everyone except you.

Originally posted by @suzianne
News Flash: He's a Calvinist, so.... yeah. According to them, everyone is predestined, either for salvation or damnation.

Clue Just for You: And since he's a Calvinist, I'm pretty sure he understands that just "saying" you're predestined for salvation doesn't necessarily make it so. You, on the other hand, seem to think this is some kind of new revelation for everyone except you.

I speak from the Bible. So I dont know what Calvinist is .. neither do I care to know your American jargon or religious studies terminology .. not interested.

Now you have to be the most dense person on this forum if you dont know that in the sonship type version of OSAS, nobody is lost, and all eventually get eternal life, as not even God can destroy evil Christians.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Your lack of Bible knowledge about powerful, noble women disappoints me Suzianne.

This is one of my favourite Bible passages.

Proverbs 31:10-3 (NIV)
Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character

10 A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11 Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of valu ...[text shortened]... her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.

I confess that I am not familiar with this scripture. Proverbs and Psalms both I have read the least of all scripture. This does seem quite celebratory to women.

I apologize for thinking that you were talking about the other passage.

Thank you for sharing this with me.

Originally posted by @rbhill
Verse 24 Jesus was only here for His sheep.

My question remains unanswered.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Your lack of Bible knowledge about powerful, noble women disappoints me Suzianne.

This is one of my favourite Bible passages.

Proverbs 31:10-3 (NIV)
Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character

10 A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11 Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of valu ...[text shortened]... her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.

What? No mention of the virtuous women supporting abortion on demand?

They must have a bad translation Suzy.

Don't listen to them.

Originally posted by @rajk999
I speak from the Bible. So I dont know what Calvinist is .. neither do I care to know your American jargon or religious studies terminology .. not interested.

Now you have to be the most dense person on this forum if you dont know that in the sonship type version of OSAS, nobody is lost, and all eventually get eternal life, as not even God can destroy evil Christians.

Oh, Lord, can anyone now see what I am up against here? Someone please tell this person that Calvinism is not "American jargon". I find it troubling that not only doesn't he know what it is, he's not even interested in knowing what it is. It's like not knowing who Martin Luther was, or not knowing who John Wesley was, or not knowing the difference between their doctrines.

And not only that, but John Calvin was FRENCH, you jackass! And you call ME "dense".

Sorry, but I have a real problem with people who don't know what they're talking about, yet still go on and on and on and on, just because they love to argue and put down others who happen to have a different opinion and for no reason other than their own ego fulfillment. And that's not exactly following Jesus.