11 Jun 10
Religion is man made, an example would be, a character named Joseph Smith had a dream one night that god instucted him, and the next morning started his own religion, which we now know as the mormans.
Spirituality on the other hand, deals with our existance, and our relationship with the power behind everything, no rules, no dogma, no diety, no punishment, no judgement, as apposed to religion, which is an attempt to control the masses.
This is why i say all religion is goobly gook, because it asserts many false ussumptions, and passes those ussumptions off as knowledge.
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11 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuThis is the reason I started a thread called "1000 years". Seems like some people are like a thousand years behind others.
Religion is man made, an example would be, a character named Joseph Smith had a dream one night that god instucted him, and the next morning started his own religion, which we now know as the mormans.
Spirituality on the other hand, deals with our existance, and our relationship with the power behind everything, no rules, no dogma, no diety, no punishm ...[text shortened]... erts many false ussumptions, and passes those ussumptions off as knowledge.
cheers vishvahetu
11 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuSpeaking of false assumptions, why is it a given that there is a "power" behind everything that is not a diety? How can we then "relate" to this nondiety? Can we then also assume that our conduct should be seperate from this relationship?
Religion is man made, an example would be, a character named Joseph Smith had a dream one night that god instucted him, and the next morning started his own religion, which we now know as the mormans.
Spirituality on the other hand, deals with our existance, and our relationship with the power behind everything, no rules, no dogma, no diety, no punishm ...[text shortened]... erts many false ussumptions, and passes those ussumptions off as knowledge.
cheers vishvahetu
I will tell you the religions that I think are "goobly gook" They are the ones started by someone who sits down to write a holy book all by themselves. They then attempt to ressurect a mass following and try to live high on the hog as they benefit from their newly created religion. Now that is controlling the masses.
11 Jun 10
Originally posted by whodeyto whodey
Speaking of false assumptions, why is it a given that there is a "power" behind everything that is not a diety? How can we then "relate" to this nondiety? Can we then also assume that our conduct should be seperate from this relationship?
I will tell you the religions that I think are "goobly gook" They are the ones started by someone who sits down to w ...[text shortened]... og as they benefit from their newly created religion. Now that is controlling the masses.
yes you have a point, but when i say no diety, i am meaning the institutionalized diety,.....but of cource a person may conseive of a diety, that fits there personal understanding of that supreme power, and thats what most people are doing anyway, you see a diety must be personal to you, and of where your understanding is, in the moment.
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11 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuWait a second, so we are to "know" the diety but that diety cannot be known by any institution?
to whodey
yes you have a point, but when i say no diety, i am meaning the institutionalized diety,.....but of cource a person may conseive of a diety, that fits there personal understanding of that supreme power, and thats what most people are doing anyway, you see a diety must be personal to you, and of where your understanding is, in the moment.
cheers vishvahetu
11 Jun 10
Originally posted by whodeyto Whodey
Wait a second, so we are to "know" the diety but that diety cannot be known by any institution?
ones perception of god is personal to us, and should not be institutionalized, but if one wants to institutionalize his/her idea of deity, then go for it.
cheers vishvahetu
11 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuWhat do you refer to as "institutionalized"? If one writes down what they feel to be "God inspired" writings is this institutionalizing things?
to Whodey
ones perception of god is personal to us, and should not be institutionalized, but if one wants to institutionalize his/her idea of deity, then go for it.
cheers vishvahetu
11 Jun 10
Originally posted by whodeyto Whodey
What do you refer to as "institutionalized"? If one writes down what they feel to be "God inspired" writings is this institutionalizing things?
an example would be, that in christianity you have the diety all decided for you, you know, like god is our disappointed father in us, and jesus with his blue eyes and long lushes hair, that sought of thing, its intitutionalized for us, so we dont have to think for ourselves.
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11 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuWhat is institutionalized is the PERCIEVED God of the Bible. For example, who has and infinite 100% God figured out? Its simply not possible. In fact, Christ did not have blue eyes and was said to not be attractive as most pictures would have you to believe, at least, according to the prophet Isaiah.
to Whodey
an example would be, that in christianity you have the diety all decided for you, you know, like god is our disappointed father in us, and jesus with his blue eyes and long lushes hair, that sought of thing, its intitutionalized for us, so we dont have to think for ourselves.
cheers vishvahetu
11 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuI don't think any educated person has believed Jesus was blue eyed for quite a while now.
to Whodey
an example would be, that in christianity you have the diety all decided for you, you know, like god is our disappointed father in us, and jesus with his blue eyes and long lushes hair, that sought of thing, its intitutionalized for us, so we dont have to think for ourselves.
cheers vishvahetu
11 Jun 10
Originally posted by whodeyto Whodey
What is institutionalized is the PERCIEVED God of the Bible. For example, who has and infinite 100% God figured out? Its simply not possible. In fact, Christ did not have blue eyes and was said to not be attractive as most pictures would have you to believe, at least, according to the prophet Isaiah.
thats correct
cheers vishvahetu
11 Jun 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuNevertheless the claim that there is a 'power behind everything' is man made and just as much goobly gook as religion. It is also a false assumption that you keep trying to pass off as knowledge.
Spirituality on the other hand, deals with our existance, and our relationship with the power behind everything, no rules, no dogma, no diety, no punishment, no judgement, as apposed to religion, which is an attempt to control the masses.
11 Jun 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadto twhite head
Nevertheless the claim that there [b]is a 'power behind everything' is man made and just as much goobly gook as religion. It is also a false assumption that you keep trying to pass off as knowledge.[/b]
if thats your perception of things, well then thats your perception of things.
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