1. Standard memberDasa
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    Religion is man made, an example would be, a character named Joseph Smith had a dream one night that god instucted him, and the next morning started his own religion, which we now know as the mormans.

    Spirituality on the other hand, deals with our existance, and our relationship with the power behind everything, no rules, no dogma, no diety, no punishment, no judgement, as apposed to religion, which is an attempt to control the masses.

    This is why i say all religion is goobly gook, because it asserts many false ussumptions, and passes those ussumptions off as knowledge.

    cheers vishvahetu
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    11 Jun '10 01:22
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Religion is man made, an example would be, a character named Joseph Smith had a dream one night that god instucted him, and the next morning started his own religion, which we now know as the mormans.

    Spirituality on the other hand, deals with our existance, and our relationship with the power behind everything, no rules, no dogma, no diety, no punishm ...[text shortened]... erts many false ussumptions, and passes those ussumptions off as knowledge.

    cheers vishvahetu
    This is the reason I started a thread called "1000 years". Seems like some people are like a thousand years behind others.
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    11 Jun '10 01:32
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Religion is man made, an example would be, a character named Joseph Smith had a dream one night that god instucted him, and the next morning started his own religion, which we now know as the mormans.

    Spirituality on the other hand, deals with our existance, and our relationship with the power behind everything, no rules, no dogma, no diety, no punishm ...[text shortened]... erts many false ussumptions, and passes those ussumptions off as knowledge.

    cheers vishvahetu
    Speaking of false assumptions, why is it a given that there is a "power" behind everything that is not a diety? How can we then "relate" to this nondiety? Can we then also assume that our conduct should be seperate from this relationship?

    I will tell you the religions that I think are "goobly gook" They are the ones started by someone who sits down to write a holy book all by themselves. They then attempt to ressurect a mass following and try to live high on the hog as they benefit from their newly created religion. Now that is controlling the masses.
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    11 Jun '10 01:49
    Originally posted by whodey
    Speaking of false assumptions, why is it a given that there is a "power" behind everything that is not a diety? How can we then "relate" to this nondiety? Can we then also assume that our conduct should be seperate from this relationship?

    I will tell you the religions that I think are "goobly gook" They are the ones started by someone who sits down to w ...[text shortened]... og as they benefit from their newly created religion. Now that is controlling the masses.
    to whodey

    yes you have a point, but when i say no diety, i am meaning the institutionalized diety,.....but of cource a person may conseive of a diety, that fits there personal understanding of that supreme power, and thats what most people are doing anyway, you see a diety must be personal to you, and of where your understanding is, in the moment.

    cheers vishvahetu
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    11 Jun '10 01:50
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    This is the reason I started a thread called "1000 years". Seems like some people are like a thousand years behind others.
    to karoly aczel

    hey, i,ll look that up..............cheers vishvahetu
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    11 Jun '10 01:53
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    to whodey

    yes you have a point, but when i say no diety, i am meaning the institutionalized diety,.....but of cource a person may conseive of a diety, that fits there personal understanding of that supreme power, and thats what most people are doing anyway, you see a diety must be personal to you, and of where your understanding is, in the moment.

    cheers vishvahetu
    Wait a second, so we are to "know" the diety but that diety cannot be known by any institution?
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    11 Jun '10 02:11
    Originally posted by whodey
    Wait a second, so we are to "know" the diety but that diety cannot be known by any institution?
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    ones perception of god is personal to us, and should not be institutionalized, but if one wants to institutionalize his/her idea of deity, then go for it.

    cheers vishvahetu
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    11 Jun '10 02:31
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    to Whodey

    ones perception of god is personal to us, and should not be institutionalized, but if one wants to institutionalize his/her idea of deity, then go for it.

    cheers vishvahetu
    What do you refer to as "institutionalized"? If one writes down what they feel to be "God inspired" writings is this institutionalizing things?
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    11 Jun '10 03:48
    Originally posted by whodey
    What do you refer to as "institutionalized"? If one writes down what they feel to be "God inspired" writings is this institutionalizing things?
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    an example would be, that in christianity you have the diety all decided for you, you know, like god is our disappointed father in us, and jesus with his blue eyes and long lushes hair, that sought of thing, its intitutionalized for us, so we dont have to think for ourselves.

    cheers vishvahetu
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    11 Jun '10 04:24
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    to Whodey

    an example would be, that in christianity you have the diety all decided for you, you know, like god is our disappointed father in us, and jesus with his blue eyes and long lushes hair, that sought of thing, its intitutionalized for us, so we dont have to think for ourselves.

    cheers vishvahetu
    What is institutionalized is the PERCIEVED God of the Bible. For example, who has and infinite 100% God figured out? Its simply not possible. In fact, Christ did not have blue eyes and was said to not be attractive as most pictures would have you to believe, at least, according to the prophet Isaiah.
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    11 Jun '10 04:26
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    to Whodey

    an example would be, that in christianity you have the diety all decided for you, you know, like god is our disappointed father in us, and jesus with his blue eyes and long lushes hair, that sought of thing, its intitutionalized for us, so we dont have to think for ourselves.

    cheers vishvahetu
    I don't think any educated person has believed Jesus was blue eyed for quite a while now.
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    11 Jun '10 04:39
    Originally posted by whodey
    What is institutionalized is the PERCIEVED God of the Bible. For example, who has and infinite 100% God figured out? Its simply not possible. In fact, Christ did not have blue eyes and was said to not be attractive as most pictures would have you to believe, at least, according to the prophet Isaiah.
    to Whodey

    thats correct

    cheers vishvahetu
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    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I don't think any educated person has believed Jesus was blue eyed for quite a while now.
    to AThousnadYoung

    Either do i.

    cheers vishvahetu
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    11 Jun '10 06:57
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Spirituality on the other hand, deals with our existance, and our relationship with the power behind everything, no rules, no dogma, no diety, no punishment, no judgement, as apposed to religion, which is an attempt to control the masses.
    Nevertheless the claim that there is a 'power behind everything' is man made and just as much goobly gook as religion. It is also a false assumption that you keep trying to pass off as knowledge.
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    11 Jun '10 07:47
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Nevertheless the claim that there [b]is a 'power behind everything' is man made and just as much goobly gook as religion. It is also a false assumption that you keep trying to pass off as knowledge.[/b]
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    if thats your perception of things, well then thats your perception of things.

    cheers vishvahetu
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