@ghost-of-a-duke saidSo you believe Paul writes that men who sleep with other men as if they were women demonstrate that the law is written in their heart?
I have already given him this reference. He doesn't seem to understand it.
If so, then you demonstrate a new low in understanding.
@eladar saidAny deity instructing people to commit genocide isn't good (even by His own standards) or worthy of worship.
@avalanchethecat
See the thread I started about who Jesus said is good.
God told Israel to commit genocide and Jesus claims that only God is good. Funny how people believe that the OT does not apply to Jesus at all. They believe Jesus replaces the mean God of the OT when in fact Jesus is in total agreement with the mean God of the OT.
What you are actually doing is worshiping a tribal God who has long since served his purpose.
@eladar saidYou don't see to absorb information given to you. Here it is again:
So you believe Paul writes that men who sleep with other men as if they were women demonstrate that the law is written in their heart?
If so, then you demonstrate a new low in understanding.
The Bible makes clear knowledge of good and evil is known to everybody. (Including gentiles). It is up to each of us, and our conscience, as to what we do with that knowledge.
@eladar saidHmm, another thread of your hate-fuelled meanderings? Think I'll put that on the back-burner for now.
@avalanchethecat
See the thread I started about who Jesus said is good.
God told Israel to commit genocide and Jesus claims that only God is good. Funny how people believe that the OT does not apply to Jesus at all. They believe Jesus replaces the mean God of the OT when in fact Jesus is in total agreement with the mean God of the OT.
@avalanchethecat saidSo quoting the Bible is hate filled. Got it.
Hmm, another thread of your hate-fuelled meanderings? Think I'll put that on the back-burner for now.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYes, there are members of all groups that know God. I agree with this.
You don't see to absorb information given to you. Here it is again:
The Bible makes clear knowledge of good and evil is known to everybody. (Including gentiles). It is up to each of us, and our conscience, as to what we do with that knowledge.
The claim that this knowledge is universal in all hearts is a lie and is not to be found in Romans 2 or any other part of the Bible.
@avalanchethecat saidYou can simply read what the Bible says and not assume certain parts are wrong. What is wrong would be our assumptions of truth based on our personal opinion.
You can support a lot of different views using scripture, and you've made yours quite clear. Also, I said 'hate-fuelled'.
But hey, if you want to believe that certain parts of the Bible are false claims, then you are free to do so.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidHave done a little research into the Canaanites and although they were one of the first civilizations in their region to use writing, they wrote mostly on papyrus leaves (which haven't survived.) As a result, our only real information about these people has come from their rivals and enemies. Can we really trust this information at face value and use it to justify their genocide?
I don't know enough about the Canaanites to validate your claims about them or how accurate and uninflated there are. (The vanquished don't write the history books). I do however know the Israelites wanted the land the Canaanites were occupying and that genocide is more palatable when the victims are demonized.
But assuming the Canaanites were indeed as bad as you ...[text shortened]... sider depraved. Does that make it okay to wipe them out in their entirety, man, woman, child, beast?
@eladar saidThere is no ambiguity about Romans 2:15.
Yes, there are members of all groups that know God. I agree with this.
The claim that this knowledge is universal in all hearts is a lie and is not to be found in Romans 2 or any other part of the Bible.
Spend some time with it.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo, there is no ambiguity.
There is no ambiguity about Romans 2:15.
Spend some time with it.
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts,
You see, only those who follow the law naturally. Homosexuals do not follow the Law.
@eladar saidPerhaps you need to revisit Romans 13:8-10 and really take it to heart:
No, there is no ambiguity.
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirements of the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts,
You see, only those who follow the law naturally. Homosexuals do not follow the Law.
'Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.'
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidJust to make sure..
Perhaps you need to revisit Romans 13:8-10 and really take it to heart:
'Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love you ...[text shortened]... ighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.'
Now you are saying anyone who steals does not follow the law. I know this is only one aspect, but this one small (of many other groups) does not follow the law, correct?
@eladar saidI regard the bible in the same way as I regard any other religious writings, so I'd say a great deal of it reflects the intent and cultural context of it's writers, none of whom were in any way divine. The teachings of Jesus stand out among the rest of it as being coherent, rational and good, so those I respect. But hey, if you want to live your life according to the strictures of a despotic, patriarchic, pre-scientific slave society, you are free to give it your best shot.
You can simply read what the Bible says and not assume certain parts are wrong. What is wrong would be our assumptions of truth based on our personal opinion.
But hey, if you want to believe that certain parts of the Bible are false claims, then you are free to do so.
@avalanchethecat saidSo you agree that God created marriage when he created Adam and Eve?
I regard the bible in the same way as I regard any other religious writings, so I'd say a great deal of it reflects the intent and cultural context of it's writers, none of whom were in any way divine. The teachings of Jesus stand out among the rest of it as being coherent, rational and good, so those I respect. But hey, if you want to live your life according to the ...[text shortened]... es of a despotic, patriarchic, pre-scientific slave society, you are free to give it your best shot.